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proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
Sun May 17, 2015, 08:51 PM May 2015

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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/children-661886-school-year.html

OPINION

Mandatory vaccines bad for California, U.S.

May 17, 2015 Updated May 15, 2015 3:45 p.m.
BY BOB SEARS / Contributing writer


Two bills threaten our freedom to make health care decisions. In California, Senate Bill 277 mandates that all children be fully vaccinated in order to attend public school, private school or day care. Unprecedented opposition has risen up against it as parents statewide stand up for their rights.

Now, a federal bill has just been submitted to match it: H.R. 2232 will require states to have mandatory vaccine laws for public school attendance in order to receive federal grant money for preventive health services. It’s essentially a financial threat by the federal government for all states to get their citizens in line.

As an Orange County pediatrician, I give vaccines in my office every day. I’ll be one of the first to acknowledge how important they are. But when we take a closer look at what these drastic changes really mean, wiser minds will realize they are bad choices for our state and our nation. These bills rob us of religious and personal freedom, remove parental control over their children’s medical treatments and unfairly target low-income and single-parent families.

If these bills were simply a declaration of whether vaccines are good or bad, I’d be voting yes, along with the rest of the Legislature. Yet they have nothing to do with whether vaccines are right or wrong.

In truth, they seek to establish fear and prejudice against a new subset of our population by wrongly answering the following questions: With some families raising their children without vaccines or choosing to partially vaccinate, can these children safely coexist with other children? Can all children safely congregate regardless of their medical, religious or personal beliefs? Is there really a subset of children who pose a danger to those around them?

I believe the answers are: yes, yes and a resounding no! Yet those who propose these bills selectively use scientific arguments to suggest that all children must be vaccinated for the good of all other children. Let’s take a wider look at all the science that proves mandatory vaccination is unnecessary and will do very little to reduce school-born diseases:

Measles. Only 18 percent of those caught up in the recent California outbreak were school age, and only a fraction caught the disease or passed it to others while in school. The outbreak would have occurred in much the same manner even if SB277 was in effect, and the minimal spread to the rest of the nation was quickly contained.

Whooping cough. According to the Centers for Disease Control website, under whooping cough FAQs, unvaccinated children are not responsible for the outbreaks; rather, waning immunity because the vaccine wears off quickly is the primary factor. Therefore, this disease will continue to occur in and out of schools regardless of any laws.

Flu. This past year’s flu vaccine was declared about 20 percent effective. Even in a good year, it’s about 50 percent effective, at best, among children. The flu will continue to occur in schools every year, with or without either of these bills.

There’s also a financial cost. Last year, 225,000 California schoolchildren opted out of one or more vaccines. For every such child forced into homeschooling under this bill, about $10,000 a year would be lost to a day-care, a public school or a private school. A parent must quit a job to stay home, losing income that would produce about $5,000 in state taxes and $20,000 in federal taxes. Do the math: That’s billions every year.

Single-parent and low-income families that have different medical or religious beliefs are unfairly targeted because homeschooling is not an option for them. And now the federal government is threatening to withhold health care grant money if states don’t pass such laws.

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Bob Sears is a pediatrician.

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Unvaccinated people are bad fro California and the U.S. The laws are needed. DamnYankeeInHouston May 2015 #1
Have you seen the US infant mortality rate lately? We're 56th in the developed world in 2014 -56th! proverbialwisdom May 2015 #2
ACLU Statement: SB 277, California Vaccination Bill proverbialwisdom May 2015 #3
Dr. Thomas Lin, pediatrician, and Dr. Gregory A. Poland at Mayo Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic. proverbialwisdom May 2015 #5
Peninsula Press (project of Stanford): Teachers not included in mandatory vaccination efforts... yet proverbialwisdom May 2015 #4
ant-vaxxers are a public health threat. geek tragedy May 2015 #6
21% of pediatric sub specialists would deviate from CDC schedule for their own child in this survey. proverbialwisdom May 2015 #7
99% said they would give their kids the MMR vaccine. geek tragedy May 2015 #10
The TIMING of the MMR is a primary issue, of course, as anyone informed about this already knows. proverbialwisdom May 2015 #11
AUDIO: Testimony by Dr. Toni Bark - SB 380 Hearing - Minnesota proverbialwisdom May 2015 #14
Google and read "An Open Letter to States Considering Removing Vaccine Exemptions By Louis Conte" proverbialwisdom May 2015 #8
Lou Conte is a science-denying asshat who claims vaccines cause autism. geek tragedy May 2015 #9
That's your mistake. proverbialwisdom May 2015 #12
48 cases out of several hundred million. geek tragedy May 2015 #13
Like numbers? Mississippi gave 17 medical exemptions in 2013-2014 from among 45,719 kindergartners. proverbialwisdom May 2015 #16
Pathetic. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #17
Illogical. proverbialwisdom May 2015 #15
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #18

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
2. Have you seen the US infant mortality rate lately? We're 56th in the developed world in 2014 -56th!
Mon May 18, 2015, 01:50 AM
May 2015

SOURCE: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

The CDC reported in 2011 that 1 in 6 children in the US had a developmental disability: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2011/05/19/peds.2010-2989.abstract

Also, more than half of American children suffer from chronic ill-health: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876285910002500

RELATED: http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html


http://www.vcstar.com/news/state/whats-next-for-vaccination-bill

What's next for vaccination bill?

11:41 AM, May 14, 2015


Following approval by the Senate, the bill that would eliminate the personal choice exemption that allows parents to decide not to vaccinate their children and still attend school now moves to the Assembly for consideration.

First, the Assembly Rules Committee will determine to which committee or committees SB 277 will be assigned. Preliminary indications are that, unlike in the Senate where it was considered by three separate policy committees, it will be heard in the Assembly only by the Health Committee.

The Assembly committee hearing will likely take place sometime after June 8. Policy committees must act on all bills by July 17.

If the bill advances out of committee, it would then be considered by the full Assembly, likely in early September.

If, as is likely, the bill is amended by the Assembly, it will then be returned to the Senate for concurrence on those amendments.

A final vote to send it to the governor would have to be taken by Sept. 11.

If it is sent to Gov. Jerry Brown, he would then have until Oct. 11 to decide whether to sign or veto the bill.

POLL

Your framing is wrong. Stay tuned.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
3. ACLU Statement: SB 277, California Vaccination Bill
Mon May 18, 2015, 03:24 AM
May 2015
https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-statement-sb-277-california-vaccination-bill

ACLU Statement: SB 277, California Vaccination Bill
For Immediate Release : April 28, 2015


The ACLU is neutral on SB 277, the California bill regarding vaccinations. We expressed concerns in an April 2, 2015 letter to the Senate committees on Health, Education and Judiciary regarding the bill as originally drafted.

Statement of Kevin Baker, Legislative Director for the ACLU of California

Safe schools are important, and immunization is a valuable protection against outbreaks of infectious diseases. At the same time, we need to proceed with great caution on any proposed law that deprives kids of their fundamental right to education by banning them from classrooms.

Virtually all California schools already enjoy good immunization rates that offer full protection against outbreaks. In districts where the immunization rates are reportedly lower, the lower rate may result from multiple factors besides parental objection to vaccines.

In some cases, children are not vaccinated against every covered disease because parents lack knowledge, have poor access to health care, face transportation problems, or other barriers. In other cases kids are actually vaccinated, but the school has not maintained appropriate records or has not transmitted those records to the proper agency. In still other cases, parents have made an intentional decision not to vaccinate their children. In all cases, California has a constitutional duty to ensure that the child is provided with a quality education.

By sharing our concerns, we hope that California’s Legislators will carefully consider the competing interests of public education and public health, and find a solution that protects both.


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proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
5. Dr. Thomas Lin, pediatrician, and Dr. Gregory A. Poland at Mayo Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic.
Mon May 18, 2015, 03:51 AM
May 2015
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/vaccines-522445-one-vaccine.html

Vaccinations should be individualized
Aug. 22, 2013 Updated 5:22 p.m.



Dr. Thomas Lin is a father of three, and an Irvine pediatrician who practices holistic medicine.
COURTESY OF THOMAS LIN


...Having been a physician who has implemented both the traditional and alternative vaccination schedules, I would like to share my experience as well as opinion on this vaccine controversy.

I have been a pediatrician 14 years. The beginning half of my practice experience included the traditional and aggressive administration of vaccines. The latter half of my practice, due to personal afflictions of having a son with autism, has been more holistic, gearing toward an alternative vaccination schedule of one vaccine at a time and selective protection of only the more devastating illnesses.

The data from these two different practices have been very revealing. In the latter half of my practice I have seen a dramatic decline in the number of referrals to regional center for developmental delays, speech problems and autism, as well as decline in asthma and allergies.

I can only deduce that being selective and judicious in administration of vaccines has contributed to this better outcome.

Vaccinations are necessary for individual health as well as public safety against spread of disease. However, I believe the administration of vaccines plays a pivotal role in lessening complications of developmental delays, allergies and asthma.

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RELATED: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141073387#post34
POST 34. Dr. Gregory A. Poland at Mayo Vaccine Research Group, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
4. Peninsula Press (project of Stanford): Teachers not included in mandatory vaccination efforts... yet
Mon May 18, 2015, 03:33 AM
May 2015
http://peninsulapress.com/2015/04/07/teachers-vaccination/
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BY SABRINA ELFARRA / APRIL 7, 2015
Teachers not included in mandatory vaccination efforts
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Student vaccination rates and immunization records have been in the news for months, but important data is missing from the statistics: that of teachers and administrators who are around children five days a week.

A measles outbreak at Vista Murrieta High School in Riverside County, Calif., required the state to review student immunization records. Although the documentation with students’ vaccine information was easy to find, that of their teachers and the school’s staff was not.

“The staff was required to provide proof that they had either had measles or were immunized,” said Karen Parris, a representative for Vista Murrieta High School.

Because some of the staff is older, their records were not easily available. The California Department of Public Health worked with the school and said those born before 1957 were considered to have immunity from measles because of its prevalence in past decades.
California schools have no laws requiring teachers to provide immunization history.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if there are legislation changes soon for what is required for teachers after these measles outbreaks,” said Renee Lang, the communications director for the National Association of State Boards of Education. “But no legislation has been written or proposed just yet.”

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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. ant-vaxxers are a public health threat.
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:59 AM
May 2015

For those fretting the cost of private education, a very simple remedy:

vaccinate your fucking kids.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
7. 21% of pediatric sub specialists would deviate from CDC schedule for their own child in this survey.
Mon May 18, 2015, 02:11 PM
May 2015

Pediatric sub-specialists, you will note, are the most highly educated/trained individuals in the field of pediatrics and likely view "the CDC" as peers rather than authority figures beyond question or reproach, unlike many here and in the media.

Are you calling these pediatric sub-specialists "ant-vaxxers" or other derogatory names, too? THINK AGAIN. Link above in OP.

SURVEY: http://file.scirp.org/html/22932.html

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. 99% said they would give their kids the MMR vaccine.
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:26 PM
May 2015

The two vaccines that drew the most skepticism were rotavirus and Hep A which are scarce in the US.

Also note that the paper considers specialists more ignorant about the wide spectrum of diseases.

Older physicians were noted to be more vaccine skeptical than younger ones, but even then their skepticism did not extend to MMR or the vast majority of vaccines.

Anti-vaxxers kill babies with their lies.





proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
11. The TIMING of the MMR is a primary issue, of course, as anyone informed about this already knows.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:12 PM
May 2015

Physicians Mumper, Thomas, Lin (above), Sears (above)... others and, of course, Senior CDC Vaccine Safety Scientist, Dr. William W Thompson. See: http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

Hey, and wouldn't you know it, there are already many issues being raised about the latest study on the subject by the Lewin Group discussed previously here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141073387

MAY 14, 2015 12:54 AM
Editor’s Note: The hyperlink to the study goes to an archived webpage because the full text version is no longer available on the JAMA website.

http://web.archive.org/web/20150421220533/http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2275444

Odd, no?

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
14. AUDIO: Testimony by Dr. Toni Bark - SB 380 Hearing - Minnesota
Tue May 19, 2015, 02:43 AM
May 2015
https://twitter.com/doctorsensation/status/600393258494099456
[blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"][p lang="en" dir="ltr"]Just my 12 minute testimony [a href="http://t.co/q3VzynlpmM"]http://t.co/q3VzynlpmM[/a]— tonibark (@doctorsensation) [a href="https://twitter.com/doctorsensation/status/600393258494099456"]May 18, 2015[/a]
[script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"][/script]

SoundCloud
Toni Bark SB 380 Hearing Minnesota
Taken from http://www.leg.state.mn.us/senatemedia/saudio/2015/cmte_health_031815b.MP3


proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
8. Google and read "An Open Letter to States Considering Removing Vaccine Exemptions By Louis Conte"
Mon May 18, 2015, 02:22 PM
May 2015

You might wish to check out his book, too.

Vaccine Injuries: Documented Adverse Reactions to Vaccines
Hardcover - NONFICTION
November 18, 2014
by Lou Conte (Author), Tony Lyons (Author)

RELATED: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016115541

Refute or evolve.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. Lou Conte is a science-denying asshat who claims vaccines cause autism.
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:15 PM
May 2015

You might as well quote the flat earth society.

I do not read garbage by fringe nutters like Conte.

he and people who peddle his shit help kill babies.



proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
12. That's your mistake.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/101/3/383.abstract

EXCERPT:

The vaccines for measles are known to trigger encephalopathy, or brain damage as noted on the (HRSA) Table of Vaccine Injuries. The reason that “MMR Table Encephalopathy” is on the Vaccine Injury Table is because of this research by the doctors who worked in the Division of Vaccine Injury Compensation in 1998:

"Acute Encephalopathy Followed by Permanent Brain Injury or Death Associated With Further Attenuated Measles Vaccines: A Review of Claims Submitted to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program" by Robert E. Weibel, MD, Vito Caserta, MD, MPH, David E. Benor, JD and Geoffrey Evans, MD found that:

“The onset of neurologic signs or symptoms occurred with a nonrandom, statistically significant distribution of cases on days 8 and 9. No cases were identified after the administration of monovalent mumps or rubella vaccine…This clustering suggests that a causal relationship between measles vaccine and encephalopathy may exist as a rare complication of measles immunization.”

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
16. Like numbers? Mississippi gave 17 medical exemptions in 2013-2014 from among 45,719 kindergartners.
Tue May 19, 2015, 03:43 AM
May 2015
SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6341a1.htm (Link from Twitter: http s://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFWT_HzUsAAet94.jpg)

How healthy are the children living in Mississippi since infectious disease is a nonissue? From a report posted earlier, "The dramatic growth in the number of children affected by autism spectrum disorders (ASD) now constitutes a public health crisis." See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016115028

I know - not possibly even remotely related,

http://www.dmh.ms.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/MAAC_2014_Report_KS_Final_2014.pdf

Mississippi Autism Advisory Committee Report to the Legislature, July 2014

Dear Legislators,

We are pleased to submit the 2014 report from the Mississippi Autism Advisory Committee detailing our findings and recommendations.

The dramatic growth in the number of children affected by autism spectrum disorders (ASD) now constitutes a public health crisis. An estimated prevalence of 10,980 Mississippi children have autism spectrum disorder – an increase from 1 in 500 children to 1 in 68 within the last decade.1,2 Statistics from the Mississippi Department of Education show a 563% rise in the number of public school children with ASD in the past 11 years. Throughout the state of Mississippi, families and systems of care are struggling to meet the needs of individuals with ASD across their life span.

Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is a biomedical disorder that impairs a person's ability to communicate and socialize. It is characterized by restricted and repetitive behaviors. It typically appears within the first three years of life and can range from mild to severe. There is no known cause, and no known cure.

It can cost as much as $3.2 million to care for an individual with ASD across their lifespan.3 If the state's children currently living with ASD do not overcome their challenges by the time they reach adulthood, it could cost Mississippi taxpayers more than 35 billion dollars over the next 50 years. We know early and intensive therapy can improve outcomes. Even though ASD is a biomedical brain disorder, insurance companies routinely exclude coverage for ASD. Thirty-seven states, the District of Columbia, and the US Virgin Islands have enacted autism insurance reform laws to ensure necessary treatment is provided.4 Mississippi is NOT one of those states. Coverage will result in significant long-term cost savings to health care and educational systems.

The number of students with ASD in public schools has increased dramatically. Most teachers do not receive training on ASD prior to entering the school system, as many teacher preparation programs contain little to no ASD related curriculum. There are also no institutions for higher learning in Mississippi offering a specialty program or degree in the area of ASD. One of the few bright spots in the training of professionals to work with the ASD population is through a collaborative effort of the Mississippi Department of Education and the University of Southern Mississippi.5

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except, look, it's Louis Conte (disparaged above) published in a peer-reviewed Law Review.

http://www.ebcala.org/unanswered-questions

Unanswered Questions
A Review of Compensated Cases of Vaccine-Induced Brain Injury


DOWNLOAD THE ARTICLE

Pace Environmental Law Review, vol. 28, no. 2, 2011

Mary Holland, Louis Conte, Robert Krakow and Lisa Colin


Executive Summary

In 1986, Congress created the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (1986 Law). This Program has original jurisdiction for children’s claims of vaccine injury. Because almost all children receive multiple vaccinations for daycare and school, it is critically important that the Program provides fundamental fairness, due process and transparency.

This empirical investigation, published in a peer-reviewed law journal, examines claims that the VICP compensated for vaccine-induced encephalopathy and seizure disorder. The VICP has compensated approximately 2,500 claims of vaccine injury since the inception of the program. This study found 83 cases of acknowledged vaccine-induced brain damage that include autism, a disorder that affects speech, social communication and behavior. In 21 published cases of the Court of Federal Claims, which administers the VICP, the Court stated that the petitioners had autism or described autism unambiguously. In 62 remaining cases, the authors identified settlement agreements where Health and Human Services (HHS) compensated children with vaccine-induced brain damage, who also have autism or an autism spectrum disorder.

Parents reported the existence of autism in telephone interviews and supplied supplemental materials including medical diagnoses, school records, and completed, standard autism screening questionnaires to verify their reports. In 39 of the 83 cases, or 47% of the cases of vaccine injury reviewed, there is confirmation of autism or autism spectrum disorder beyond parental report.

This finding of autism in compensated cases of vaccine injury is significant. U.S. government spokespeople have been asserting no vaccine-autism link for more than a decade. This finding calls into question the decisions of the Court of Federal Claims in the Omnibus Autism Proceeding in 2009 and 2010 and the statement of Health and Human Services on its website that “HHS has never concluded in any case that autism was caused by vaccination.”

Using publicly available information, the investigation shows that the VICP has been compensating cases of vaccine-induced brain damage associated with autism for more than twenty years. This investigation suggests that officials at HHS, the Department of Justice and the Court of Federal Claims may have been aware of this association but failed to publicly disclose it.

The study calls on Congress to thoroughly investigate the VICP, including a medical investigation of compensated claims of vaccine injury. This investigation calls on Congress to get answers to these critically important unanswered questions.

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