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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Mon May 18, 2015, 12:33 PM May 2015

What’s wrong with VE Day?

By Milan Rai
Source: teleSUR English
May 18, 2015

On 10 May, the head of the Church of England, Justin Welby, led a service of remembrance at Westminster Abbey, marking the end of the Second World War in Europe. He addressed a congregation of War War II veterans, the royal family, and political leaders, saying: ‘We gather again, 70 years on, thankful for victory over the greatest darkness of the 20th century, perhaps of all history. Our gratitude is not simply for victory in Europe, but also the reconciliation in Europe that followed, neither obviously nor automatically.’

That evening, re-elected British Prime Minister David Cameron told Channel 4 News: ‘today is a good day to remember just what the United Kingdom stands for and what it has done. The United Kingdom stood alone against Hitler.’

There is a lot one could say about this, including the fact that the Soviet Union lost 26 million citizens during the war (around 14% of the population), while Britain lost less than half a million (less than 1% of its population). Seems like a lot of other people got hurt while Britain was ‘standing alone against Hitler’.


David Cameron was right to say that the 70th anniversary of the end of the Second World War is a good time ‘to remember just what the United Kingdom stands for and what it has done’. The answers are rather grim, and they cast a different light on the postwar history of Greece and the current conflicts around Greek debts. What about Britain’s debt to Greece for the (long-term) harm caused by its 1944-1945 invasion?


Full article: https://zcomm.org/zcommentary/whats-wrong-with-ve-day/

BBM. Fuck Cameron. The very young men my family lost were Canadian. Nations all over the world lost so many citizens - it takes a special kind of arrogance to make that claim, let alone think it.

And pay your debts to Greece, asshole.
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What’s wrong with VE Day? (Original Post) polly7 May 2015 OP
In point of fact rsdsharp May 2015 #1
Wrong. polly7 May 2015 #2

rsdsharp

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1. In point of fact
Mon May 18, 2015, 12:48 PM
May 2015

from May 1940, when France fell, until June 1941 when Germany invaded the Soviet Union, ending the non aggression pact it had signed with the USSR, the UK did stand alone against the Axis powers.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
2. Wrong.
Mon May 18, 2015, 12:57 PM
May 2015
Canada officially entered the Second World War on September 10, 1939, and continued at war for nearly six years. The struggle involved virtually the whole country and made enormous demands on the Canadian people, whether they were involved in the actual fighting or remained on the home front to work in industry or farming to support the war effort.


http://www.veterans.gc.ca/pdf/cr/pi-sheets/wwchronol.pdf

Canada waited a full week before declaring war specifically so it would be a declaration of Canada's own making of free will, ultimately declaring war on Germany on Sept 10, 1939 although the fact we'd back Britain was never in doubt.

Twenty short years after the Great War, Europe again stood on the brink of a mighty upheaval in the summer of 1939. Clouds of war were on the horizon, and Canada would again be called into the fight.

By the time the Second World War ended six years later, more than 1.1 million Canadians and Newfoundlanders — from a population of about 11 million — would serve in the military.

The human toll would be immense: 45,000 Canadian soldiers would die and another 54,000 would be wounded.

The first Canadian troops departed for Europe at the end of 1939.

Canadian pilots fought side-by-side with the British air force in repelling the German Luftwaffe's attacks on the U.K. in the summer of 1940. The Royal Canadian Air Force engaged in direct combat with enemy planes for the first time in the war.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/remembering-canada-s-role-in-ww-ii-1.871801

When the Second World War broke out, the RCN was again the first into action. Indeed, it was the RCN that constituted the mainstay of the Canadian war effort for the first two years. Convoy escort work commenced immediately in September 1939, and from the spring of 1940 RCN destroyers participated in operations off the French coast, including the evacuation from the continent. The “Corvette Navy” of the RCNVR and the Battle of the Atlantic against the German U-boats are justifiably remembered as major accomplishments of the fifty-fold expansion of the RCN (from some 2000 all-ranks to nearly 100,000 by 1945), but that was not near the sum of the navy’s accomplishments. In 1941, with the fate of Britain uncertain and the US not yet committed, the possible requirement to defend home waters and the growing competence of the RCN argued for the building of a strong national navy. Therefore, while defeat of the U-boats remained a priority, the Canadian government ordered the concurrent acquisition of cruisers and powerful Tribal class destroyers in addition to the scores of anti-submarine corvettes and other escorts. As well, the naval college was re-opened to ensure the training of officers in Canada. By 1943, allied circumstances had improved considerably, but a new impetus existed for the continuation of a viable Canadian fleet. Recognising the limits of the pre-war policy of isolationism, the Department of External Affairs was developing a commitment to collective security as the basis for the post-war international order. In those days, only a navy could provide military force with global reach and, by 1945, the plans for the post-war RCN envisioned a carrier task force on each coast.


http://canadasnavalmemorial.ca/history/battles-and-conicts/wwiipacic-campaign/

The Second World War[1] officially began on 1 September 1939, with the German invasion of Poland. Britain and France declared war on the Nazi Third Reich, two days later, on 3 September 1939. Seven days later, on 10 September 1939, Canada likewise declared war on Germany, the country's first independent declaration of war[2] and the beginning of Canada's participation in the largest combined national effort in its history. By the war's end, over 1 million citizens would serve in military uniform (out of a prewar population of 11 million) and Canada would possess the fourth-largest air force and fifth-largest naval surface fleet in the world. Originally it was thought that Canada had the third-largest navy in the world, but with the fall of the Soviet Union new data based on Japan and the USSR came to light and it was found to be incorrect.[3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada_during_World_War_II

Timeline: Canada in the Second World War:

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/history/second-world-war

I'll have to look up when my mom's uncles were killed and one captured to later die in a German prison camp. I know they were mostly at the very beginning of the war.
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