http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/14/russia-and-china-broke-into-snowden-files-to-identify-british-and-us-spies


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33125068

Here's the TIMES article--copied to another site (they are behind a paywall): http://cryptome.org/2015/06/ru-cn-snowden-1m-docs.htm


This blogger doesn't have the bubble, I don't think.

I think the agents they need to extract aren't MI6....they're of the "double" type, or simple "informants." Or something else, operating outside the normal bounds. They are people that the MI6 agents were RUNNING. "Assets," if you will. And now, those people and their families are running--away from Russia and China.

It's nice this guy thinks everyone operates under the Marquess of Queensberry rules, but that's just not real life.

Not.

I think the real problem is the employees become more blackmailable when the background check and personnel file info is out there too, but Murray thinks it's about the new legislation. He might be right, he is probably better informed than I am.

diplomatic immunity.


We'll find out one of these days if the people getting moved are Russian and Chinese. I don't think they'll keep that under wraps forever.

I mean, it's not like that hasn't happened before, and in reverse as well...Kim Philby died in Russia because he was one of those guys who had to be snatched up from UK and "rescued" after he was burned.

It DOES make sense if they're moving agents they were running.

I can wait--I have no choice, really! Time will tell, but I suspect I'm correct--we're not talking Embassy or Consular Staff....we're talking local national assets.

Right now I think it's a lie.

disappeared into the Russian Embassy in Hong Kong, prior to making that Moscow dash, I figured he was bought and paid for.

He might have been bought and paid for from as far back as when he was living in Japan and vacationing in HK. That's when he may have been turned. Who knows?

Well, someone does--and his name might be Vladimir!

Aren't all those employees exposed to identity theft now?

I don't think that's the kind of shit Snowden downloaded. I think he took source and method material, of a classified nature. Why would he be poking around in UK personnel files? That just doesn't make sense. Besides, that stuff would be the equivalent of FOUO and handled out of a personnel/disbursing office in London. Direct deposit is a dream.

I don't think this is about UK staffers.

We'll find out eventually.

For the moment I'm assuming the UK story is bullshit.

Otherwise we'd have to know what Snowden stole to talk about identity theft, and AFAIK we don't, and the only version his stuff out there is the infobomb he distributed, and I will need proof to show any such hack has been done, and better yet something about methodology. You don't just put a bigger computer to work on strong encryption, you need massive parallelism or a quantum computer and even then ...

alarms, I should think. He'd be going off site to a centralized finance facility to get that material, I imagine. That's WAY out of his wheelhouse.

USG could easily hand out new SSANs like candy. and trash the old, if needs must--that would be a blip and nothing more.

Identity theft is the least of their worries--I think they had a network of assets blown. That's a tougher situation.

I wonder what Snowden's thinking, right about now. If they've cracked his goodies, he's got no bargaining chips. And if they've cracked his goodies, they've had copies of his stuff since Hong Kong. Rome wasn't built in a day, after all.

He's screwed.

That has nothing to do with Snowden.

He stole material from HI, we know that. He may have duplicated material from Japan, as well--we really don't know if this was truly a spur of the moment thing, or if he'd been on the Russian payroll for awhile, had downloaded material from Japan, and then after he switched jobs and got caught up in that security clearance problem where his forged education credentials would have been eventually revealed, knew that his time was running out, so he did a grab-and-go.

We just don't know.

Thing is, maybe the Russians didn't want to tip us (or the UK) off. Maybe they didn't tip us off. Maybe, just maybe, we've got someone on the inside who is overseeing the cracking of that material--and they're the ones who tipped us off. That's a bit more of a stretch, but one never knows, do one?


It's starting to look like that is a possibility, though.

In any event, the reset button has been pressed. It's interesting times ahead....

A former NSA official said that the latest data breaches on the Office of Personnel Management gave Chinese hackers the “crown jewels” of American intelligence.

Last week federal officials announced that Chinese hackers had gained access to over 4 million personal records for federal employees in December. A similar hack, exposing federal employees’ security background checks, was disclosed by the Obama administration on Friday.

“This is crown jewels material… a gold mine for foreign intelligence service,” said Joel Brenner, a former NSA senior counsel, Politico reported Friday.

The hackers are believed to have accessed data from Standard Form-86 documents, which include background details for federal employees like financial trouble, past convictions, drug use and close relationships with citizens of other countries.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/13/ex-nsa-official-cybersecurity-breach-gave-china-in/

information on people.

Of course, nowadays, with facebook, a lot of people put that shit out there anyway.

It's everyplace you've lived in the last decade, a full report on any crimes you've committed, jobs you've held--they're rather intrusive, but so's facebook! Probably the most useful material is the "foreign friends" list.

They'd do well to give all their diplomats fake identities before they send them off! Force the Chinese and Russians to have to resort to biometrics to figure out who's who in the zoo....

I have heard that US intends to transition to more biometric banking--perhaps the roll-out for that will be accelerated as a result of this.

Yes, I have filled out a couple of those forms over the years, I know what's in them. Not your bank & credit account numbers, but some very handy stuff for password cracking and security question hacking.

I am skeptical that they know who did it, I think the "Chinese" thing is a guess.

If not--hell, we may as well turn off our computers and get out the Trivial Pursuit board games!!!

But...


If Snowden voluntarily handed them over then they wouldn't have to be cracked but the article claims that the top-secret cache of files were cracked. On the other hand, it is not clear whether Russia and China stole Snowden’s data so it's just speculation. So, how can they claim to have cracked the top-secret cache of files if they don't know how they got them.

But the argument is going to be that they were stolen so that's the only way they were cracked, if that's the case, then they weren't handed over by Snowden. If they weren't handed over by Snowden why did they say it's unclear how they got them?

Lies and distortion is how this is presented.

A second point, The Sunday Times is the first to come out with this revelation, if you can call it that. The rest of the British press has followed suit. The Sunday Times is owned by none other than Rupert Murdoch. Enough said.

If you recall, Snowden had a ton of stuff, but it was all safe because it was "encrypted." Remember? Even if a "bad guy" copied the stuff, they couldn't do anything with it. Ostensibly....

Greenwald's partner schlepped through London with copies of a bunch of encrypted stuff--he didn't have the key.

Now, if we assume this story is "correct," then they've been digging around trying to crack their copies of the stuff and only recently have been successful.

OR...Snowden flat out gave them the key, or they found a way to steal it from him.

Rupert Murdoch retired. He's handed the game off to his kids. Ever since the bugging scandal, and the fact that his wife a) Was screwing Tony Blair, and b) Dumped him, he hasn't been on the game.

He's an elderly man--he's running out of gas.

Also, TIMES is just the vehicle for the story. The SOURCE of the story is the British government. I'm quite confident that BBC isn't reporting based solely on TIMES of London's word. Nor is GUARDIAN. They picked up the phone and made a few calls, make no mistake.

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1. Snowden pilfered 1.77 million documents, and had no idea what many of them revealed.

2. 58,000 of those documents related to UK intelligence.

3. Richard Clarke, before this latest development, says Snowden should go to prison for a very long time for compromising US national security. Now some very powerful people in the UK apparently feel the same way.

4. Putin doesn't give you something for nothing.

5. It really does suck to be Snowden.

Ole uncle Rupert is at it again…

is. to me, that Edward Snowden showed the America people that their lives are monitored by and controlled by, Big Brother. Oh and Big Brother was furious, yet the American people were mostly unfazed. Wow.

JM

It could be that there was more recent stuff in there that pertains to other agencies that hasn't been publicly released (or I haven't seen it), but all the NSA docs were dated 2009 or earlier.

Intelligence services very rarely keep officers in place in vulnerable places for more than a few years before rotating them out.

because they couldn't stand it that her husband, Joseph Plame, pointed out publicly that they were lying about certain things, people did die.

Thanks for the post.

The site is under a strong denial of service attack from a bot trying to crash it by overloading with millions of pings from multiple locations. I presume the objective is to take down the revelation of the fake MI6 Snowden story, which had been read by tens of thousands already and is now really taking off.

While the copyright in that article remains mine, I grant permission for it freely to be reproduced by anybody, anywhere. I shall be grateful for multiple copies to be posted around the web so it can’t be taken down.

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