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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 03:57 PM Jun 2015

Snowden files 'read by Russia and China'? Guardian Asks for Proof: "5 questions for UK government"

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/14/snowden-files-read-by-russia-and-china-five-questions-for-uk-government

Snowden files 'read by Russia and China': 5 questions for UK government

The government has an obligation to respond to the Sunday Times report that MI6 has been forced to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries


The Sunday Times produced what at first sight looked like a startling news story: Russia and China had gained access to the cache of top-secret documents leaked by former NSA contractor turned whistleblower Edward Snowden.

Not only that, but as a result, Britain’s overseas intelligence agency, the Secret Intelligence Service, better known as MI6, had been forced “to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries”.

These are serious allegations and, as such, the government has an obligation to respond openly.

The story is based on sources including “senior officials in Downing Street, the Home Office and the security services”. The BBC said it had also also been briefed anonymously by a senior government official.

Anonymous sources are an unavoidable part of reporting, but neither Downing Street nor the Home Office should be allowed to hide behind anonymity in this case.

1. Is it true that Russia and China have gained access to Snowden’s top-secret documents? If so, where is the evidence?

Which cache of documents is the UK government talking about? Snowden has said he handed tens of thousands of leaked documents over to journalists he met in Hong Kong, and that he has not had them in his possession since. Have Russia and China managed to access documents held by one of the journalists or their companies?

In addition, if agents had to be moved, why? Which Snowden documents allegedly compromised them to the extent they had to be forcibly removed from post?

2. Why have the White House and the US intelligence agencies not raised this?

Snowden is wanted by the US on charges under the Espionage Act. The White House, the US intelligence agencies and especially some members of Congress have been desperate to blacken Snowden’s reputation. They have gone through his personal life and failed to come up with a single damaging detail.
If the UK were to have evidence that Russia and China had managed to penetrate his document cache or that agents had been forced to move, London would have shared this with Washington. The White House would have happily briefed this openly, as would any number of Republican – and even Democratic – members of Congress close to the security services. They would not have stinted. It would have been a full-blown press conference.

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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/14/snowden-files-read-by-russia-and-china-five-questions-for-uk-government


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Snowden files 'read by Russia and China'? Guardian Asks for Proof: "5 questions for UK government" (Original Post) KoKo Jun 2015 OP
Glad you posted marym625 Jun 2015 #1
You kicked butt, today. Wilms Jun 2015 #2
Oh thanks! marym625 Jun 2015 #4
What's Shocking, too, is that Old False Snowden new stories were quoted for the article- #5 at Link KoKo Jun 2015 #3
Here is an interview Greenwald gave this morning marym625 Jun 2015 #5
...! Thanks! KoKo Jun 2015 #6
Nice to see the Guardian sticking up for their cash cow Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #7
You've got to watch Glenn Greenwald Slay the "Sky News"/Faux Interviewer KoKo Jun 2015 #8
What I wouldn't give for the chance to interview Greenwald before a national audience Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #11
Hopefully Snowden will stand trial for his crimes. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #9
KnR. nt bemildred Jun 2015 #10

marym625

(17,997 posts)
1. Glad you posted
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jun 2015

I did earlier and it dropped like a rock

K € R

Want to bet they don't get answers?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
3. What's Shocking, too, is that Old False Snowden new stories were quoted for the article- #5 at Link
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jun 2015

Thanks for posting the exposing/debunking of this! That "somewhat" reputable other news sites picked up Murdoch Rag's reporting is disturbing. I should have scrolled down here before posting. If I had seen I would have kicked your post. I only saw the one in GD.

for the Bad reporting...

from the Guardian:

5. What about the debatable assertions and at least one totally inaccurate point in the Sunday Times piece?

The Sunday Times says Snowden “fled to seek protection from Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, after mounting one of the largest leaks in US history”. In fact he fled Hong Kong bound for Latin America, via Moscow and Cuba. The US revoked his passport, providing Russia with an excuse to hold him in transit.

The Sunday Times says it is not clear whether Russia and China stole Snowden’s data or “whether he voluntarily handed over his secret documents in order to remain at liberty in Hong Kong and Moscow”. The latter is not possible if, as Snowden says, he gave all the documents to journalists in Hong Kong in June 2013.

The Sunday Times also reports that “David Miranda, the boyfriend of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, was seized at Heathrow in 2013 in possession of 58,000 ‘highly-classified’ intelligence documents after visiting Snowden in Moscow”.

This is inaccurate. Miranda had in fact been in Berlin seeing the film-maker Laura Poitras, not in Moscow visiting Snowden. It is not a small point.

The claim about Miranda having been in Moscow first appeared in the Daily Mail in September under the headline “An intelligence expert’s devastating verdict: Leaks by Edward Snowden and the Guardian have put British hostages in even greater peril”. It was written by Professor Anthony Glees, the director of the centre for security and intelligence studies at the University of Buckingham, and has never been corrected. Maybe the Sunday Times can do better.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
5. Here is an interview Greenwald gave this morning
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jun 2015

Apparently, "journalists" and the public learned nothing from the Iraq war




I read that earlier. It is shocking It's just mind boggling to me. Absolutely mind boggling

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
8. You've got to watch Glenn Greenwald Slay the "Sky News"/Faux Interviewer
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jun 2015

about the article. He is incredible! Watch it and then post what you think....

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. What I wouldn't give for the chance to interview Greenwald before a national audience
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 10:38 PM
Jun 2015

He'd be walking off the set in 30 seconds...

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