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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 08:00 PM Jul 2015

Is This the End of Christianity in the Middle East?

In-depth article. It's complex & pretty fucked up--but much of the current woes are due to Bush's invasion of Iraq.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/magazine/is-this-the-end-of-christianity-in-the-middle-east.html?_r=0

Is This the End of Christianity in the Middle East?
ISIS and other extremist movements across the region are enslaving, killing and uprooting Christians, with no aid in sight.
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Is This the End of Christianity in the Middle East? (Original Post) uhnope Jul 2015 OP
Not much of the blame- 100% is on bUSH. TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #1
Wasn't Assad one of those Baathists. Igel Jul 2015 #4
This! newthinking Jul 2015 #6
The baathists were also socialists. How much did this factor in? newthinking Jul 2015 #8
I can't make that judgement TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #9
The US must stop selling Democracy James Corbett Jul 2015 #2
"Democracy Promotion" is an orwellian title. It is simply not about democracy newthinking Jul 2015 #7
No sh*t, sherlock. elleng Jul 2015 #3
+1. bemildred Jul 2015 #5

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
1. Not much of the blame- 100% is on bUSH.
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jul 2015

The Baathist party and leaders around the Arab world were brutal but secular. They kept the radicals in line. With the Arab Spring the stability that was in place was gone and the rest is recent history. Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and the like are being persecuted and forced from their home lands.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
4. Wasn't Assad one of those Baathists.
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jul 2015

I could swear he managed to survive past 1/20/09.

There's always Lebanon, I guess. Then again, with all the turmoil, who knows what Hezbollah will do with the influx of money that, apparently, Bush II will allow Iran to rake in. They'll certainly have to balance their loss of prestige in a de-Assadized Syria. Nasty of Bush II to get rid of Assad like that and back a protest movement that could destabilize but not overthrow and assert control. Not that anybody seriously thought they could, not with just the relatively small number of secular educated young Sunnis in the urban centers. Nobody thought about the rest of the country when Bush II was speaking out using the bully pulpit in early 2011. Odd, that. Perhaps he lost the 2012 election? Or maybe that wasn't Bush II.

That leaves Palestine. A lot of Xians have fled there, too. Although they're okay in Israel. Odd, that.

Not many Jews left in Arab countries. The enlightened self-interest from the late '40s and '50s--known as "running for your life"--saw to that.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
6. This!
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jul 2015

History will be very harsh on our strategy in the Middle east. I suspect that what happened in Iraq will be considered an atrocity by future generations (if they are still alive).

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
9. I can't make that judgement
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:14 AM
Jul 2015

I just know that the ancient Jewish and Christian communities in the MidEast especially Iraq are nearly destroyed. Saddam even had a Christian high up in his admin, but he died incarcerated, Tariq Aziz an ethnic Assyrian, not even and Arab, and a member of the Chaldean Catholic Church, not even an evil Muslim.

Colin Powell had it right with the Pottery Barn metaphor, well sort of, Bush broke the MidEast and we own it.

 

James Corbett

(6 posts)
2. The US must stop selling Democracy
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jul 2015

Our own constitution enshrines minority rights, not democracy. The right wants to focus on "Democracy" rather than minority rights because bourgeois capitalism works best with the facade of legitimacy provided by elections that bring a tyrannical majority to power. Where would you rather live, under a dictator who protects minority rights, or under the tyranny of a self righteous democratic majority?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
7. "Democracy Promotion" is an orwellian title. It is simply not about democracy
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:00 AM
Jul 2015

And you are incredibly aware: Many seem to think that visiting violence on other peoples against their wishes is "helping them". Destroying people's lives and futures in the hope of somehow making it better later.

"Righteous" causes are often just prejudice in disguise. And the west has become exceedingly adept at such Machievelian thinking.

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