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OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 06:07 PM Aug 2015

What the Heck Is ISDS and Why Is It a Brazen Corporate Giveaway?

ISDS really seems like an over-the-top corporate give-away that has no place governments that adhere to democratic values. How it is defended with a straight face by members of the US government, I will never understand.

AFL-CIO NOW Blog: What the Heck Is ISDS and Why Is It a Brazen Corporate Giveaway?


Since the late July negotiating round that failed to reach a final deal for the corporate-leaning Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal, a lot has been written about the merits of a purported ISDS carve-out and whether it played a role in the failed effort to complete a deal by July 31. (Don’t know much about the TPP? Learn more.)

What is ISDS?

ISDS stands for “investor-to-state dispute settlement,” as distinguished from “state-to-state dispute settlement,” which is how most international trade disputes are resolved.

For example, if working people want to enforce the labor provisions of a trade agreement, we have to petition our government and ask it to pursue a state-to-state case for us. Most recently, it took the administration nearly three years to produce an initial report evaluating whether to even move forward to informal talks over Honduras’ egregious labor rights violations.

In contrast, under ISDS, investors don’t need government permission or preliminary investigations. If they want to bring a case, they bring a case. Period. The U.S. already has ISDS in some existing trade and investment treaties, such as NAFTA. Now the U.S. is trying to cover Japan, Australia, Malaysia and other countries with ISDS through the TPP.

More here: http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Political-Action-Legislation/What-the-Heck-Is-ISDS-and-Why-Is-It-a-Brazen-Corporate-Giveaway

One thing I do know is that capitalism requires risk -- if investors who invest overseas don't want to take risks, perhaps they should not invest there, or perhaps they should take out insurance at their own expense, or perhaps they should negotiate their own deal with the host government that does not undermine our rule of law by allowing foreign companies to opt out of our courts. It is not the taxpayers' responsibility to bail them out for any losses they incur. That's not capitalism; it sounds a lot more like fascism to me.

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What the Heck Is ISDS and Why Is It a Brazen Corporate Giveaway? (Original Post) OrwellwasRight Aug 2015 OP
We need more international tax treaties not more antidemocractic, ALEC Id trade "treaties." stuffmatters Aug 2015 #1
All good questions I wish someone would answer . . . OrwellwasRight Aug 2015 #2

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
1. We need more international tax treaties not more antidemocractic, ALEC Id trade "treaties."
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 07:47 PM
Aug 2015

We already trade with all these countries, there's no need to ramp up the global surrender of the American treasury and sovereignty to corporate international kangaroo courts.

As Krugman/Steiglitz have pointed out, even American companies just have to pull an "inversion" and voila their "future profits" are subject to ISDS enforcement and unappealable decision. The "judges" themselves are drawn from their own pool of corporate lawyers arguing before them. It's the penultimate wetdream of the global ALEC bill mill.
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Right now Trans Canada is poised to sue under NAFTA for "future lost profits" if Keystone XL is not passed. And we already surrendered our right to know that we're eating American beef to comply with NAFTA "violations" complaints from Canada & Mexico.

And these T Treaties are NAFTA on steroids. (They call them "agreements" to bypass the 2/3 vote need to pass)

We don't need further ballooning of our trade deficit, which to me is way more important than our budget deficit. Our trade deficit is directly translatable to lost jobs and national prosperity.

Instead why is our President and corporate State Department not putting all energy into creating international treaties to collect and distribute international corporate taxes proportionally based on employees, resource,environmental & health depletion and revenue specificity to countries around the world.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
2. All good questions I wish someone would answer . . .
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 11:56 PM
Aug 2015

In addition to why it is the responsibility of taxpayers to subsidize offshoring and the undermining of our own democracy -- well, what we have left of it . . .

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