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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 05:33 AM Aug 2015

What Americans need: An 'idiot-proof' retirement system

Volatility in the stock market over the last couple of weeks has caused enormous unease among investors big and small. Tens of millions of people with much of their retirement money in the market are worried about seeing a sudden plunge in prices. Many of these people will sell their stock to protect themselves from further losses, which demonstrates the basic problem with making retirement income dependent on an unstable, unpredictable exchange.

The story is that people tend to make bad decisions when they manage their money in the stock market. They are likely to sell at a low point after the market has just taken a big tumble, as has happened in the last two weeks. Then they buy back in during a run-up, paying much more than if they'd just held on to their stock.

It's natural to want to "stop the bleeding," no matter what professionals advise. As a result, people who actively manage their money typically get considerably lower returns than people who just buy and hold their stock. And this is before counting the brokerage fees and other costs associated with trading.

This pattern is important to keep in mind in the context of proposals to privatize Social Security, which may find their way back into political debate, as several Republican presidential candidates seem to think privatization is a good idea. A decade ago, President George W. Bush tried to privatize Social Security, but he abandoned the effort without ever putting a bill before Congress. In Washington, however, no bad idea stays dead for long, so we may have to argue once again over the future of Social Security.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0828-baker-stock-market-retirement-20150828-story.html#navtype=outfit

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What Americans need: An 'idiot-proof' retirement system (Original Post) bemildred Aug 2015 OP
Don't let this be forgotten. Don't let those buzzards privatize SS. raccoon Aug 2015 #1
It will get worse before it gets better thebighobgoblin Aug 2015 #2
Apartment blocks free to seniors over a certain age, with built in Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #3
Conservatives are anti-idiot. drm604 Aug 2015 #4
Let's not just stay at the extremes. Igel Aug 2015 #7
Yes Please! Nt abelenkpe Aug 2015 #5
Get Real, It'll never happen RancidCrabtree Aug 2015 #6

raccoon

(31,118 posts)
1. Don't let this be forgotten. Don't let those buzzards privatize SS.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:20 AM
Aug 2015
The costs of administering a privatized system are income to financial firms. Social Security currently pays out a bit more than $700 billion a year in retirement and survivors benefits. If this money came from individual accounts, it would correspond to a stock of assets in the neighborhood of $14 trillion. And if the administrative costs for managing these accounts were equal to 1% of the value of the accounts, which is roughly the case in countries with privatized Social Security systems, it would imply fees of $140 billion a year. That's real money.
 

thebighobgoblin

(179 posts)
2. It will get worse before it gets better
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 07:15 AM
Aug 2015

I give us about another 10-15 years before the ultimate financial meltdown occurs. We had a chance to do something in 2009, but the media allowed the average voter to get distracted by Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and other dipshit talking heads. The harsh reality is that we're past the time when there's political urgency to enact real reform. The irony is, the New Deal safety measures which enabled congress to spare us from a complete financial crash in 2008 has given us a false sense of security, allowing us to believe that we can implement those measures again if necessary. But the next financial crisis will overwhelm whatever institutional strength we have left. We won't be getting up off the mat so quickly next time.

I don't think there will be any real reform until that next financial disaster happens. It takes a crisis to respond to a crisis.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. Apartment blocks free to seniors over a certain age, with built in
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 07:50 AM
Aug 2015

free cafeterias, gyms, health clinics, etc.

Hmm actually, that basically comes close to free nursing homes for anyone over a certain age who wants to live in them.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
4. Conservatives are anti-idiot.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 08:26 AM
Aug 2015

They don't seem to like idiot-proof things. They think that idiots should suffer for their idiocy.

Make a bad decision because you don't have a PhD in finance? Too bad, sleep in the gutter.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
7. Let's not just stay at the extremes.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:40 AM
Aug 2015

In between idiots and PhDs (with the usual caveat about overlapping) are most people.

Otherwise, which are you? PhD or idiot? Obama?

Oops. The President doesn't have a PhD.

This is only good rhetoric when it's subtle. It's always bad logic.

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