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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:52 AM Oct 2015

Salon: Behind the Deep State that Obama, Hillary or Trump couldn’t control

Taken out of context in the article but a major point

Is this by design?

I put this question to David Talbot in a telephone exchange Tuesday. Talbot (who founded Salon 20 years ago) has just published “The Devil’s Chessboard,” an account of the deep state focused on the crucial role of Allen Dulles as it emerged in the 1950s. Dulles directed the CIA from 1953 until President Kennedy fired him in 1961. It is Talbot’s contention that elements of the deep state, probably including Dulles, were responsible for Kennedy’s assassination two years later.

“Presidents have to be thoroughly vetted before getting to the White House,” Talbot replied. “Kennedy was probably the last president not thoroughly approved by the deep state. This may be edgy, but I think there’ve been lessons in this for every president since. It’s a question of what a president can and can’t do, or what he does at his own peril.”





OK........... now the beginning of the article




There are two ways to consider the White House’s announcement last week that, no, American troops will no longer withdraw from Afghanistan as previously planned. You can look back over President Obama’s record in such matters or you can face forward and think about what this decision means, or implies, or suggests —or maybe all three—about the next president’s conduct of foreign policy.

I do not like what I see in either direction. What anyone who looks carefully and consciously can discern in Obama’s seven years in office are limits. These are imposed in part by inherited circumstances, but let us set these aside for now, appalling as they are. My concern is with the limits imposed by the entrenched power of our permanent government, otherwise known as the “deep state.”


http://www.salon.com/2015/10/21/this_is_not_a_democracy_behind_the_deep_state_that_obama_hillary_or_trump_couldnt_control/


Long article that many of us have detailed over the years on the deep state
but glad Salon is picking up on it too.

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Salon: Behind the Deep State that Obama, Hillary or Trump couldn’t control (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 OP
Obama came out in favor of the President of Honduras. Downwinder Oct 2015 #1
Viva La Clinton! And the third term of cprise Oct 2015 #10
Excellent analysis! Also recommended... Peace Patriot Oct 2015 #2
Another Talbot posting today. Downwinder Oct 2015 #3
Kicking......n/t Hotler Oct 2015 #4
-- What have we got on the Democratic side? IDemo Oct 2015 #5
We shall see indeed.......... Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #6
Highlight the area of text you want, then click the 'excerpt' button above the text box IDemo Oct 2015 #7
LOL...... after more than 10 years Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #8
What the fuck does Trump have to do with this? Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #9
Great point. Oddly, the article never mentions Trump. dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #11
The point is...... any potential, present or past president has to deal with the deep state. Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #13
We all have to swim in the same water... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #14
Blue tires Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #15
K & R, Deep State is a meme to keep pushing, if enough people knew it might matter. /nt dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #12

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
2. Excellent analysis! Also recommended...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:31 AM
Oct 2015
"JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters," by James Douglass (2007).

Why it STILL matters.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
5. -- What have we got on the Democratic side?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015
A candidate smart enough to understand that were he to propose an authentically progressive foreign policy agenda he would be mauled for the positions it would logically include? Another candidate who is very likely more at home in the deep state than anyone else from either party? It is hard to say, but maybe.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
6. We shall see indeed..........
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:11 AM
Oct 2015

question......... how do you gray out what you want in an OP
like you did in yours?

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
8. LOL...... after more than 10 years
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:40 AM
Oct 2015

I finally learned how to do it by just asking someone

I'm such a putz. sometimes........ thank you so much

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
13. The point is...... any potential, present or past president has to deal with the deep state.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:37 AM
Oct 2015

Its a statement of fact.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
15. Blue tires
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

what can we say?
Your posts speak for themselves

When your prized possessions
Start to weigh you down
Look in my direction
I'll be round, I'll be round

When your bird is broken
Will it bring you down
You may be awoken
I'll be round, I'll be round

You tell me that you've heard every sound there is
And your bird can swing
But you can't hear me
You can't hear me



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