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The Guardian: Let’s deny Isis its binary struggle – and celebrate the grey zone
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/20/isis-binary-struggle-grey-zone-jihadism--- snip
The Guardian: Lets deny Isis its binary struggle and celebrate the grey zone
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Many headed to Syria in 2013, for example, before Isis had established its caliphate or made the descent into outlandish barbarism, having come to the disgusted conclusion that the west was not going to bomb the Assad regime and that, if they wanted to defend Syrians from Assads barrel bombs, they would have to do it themselves. Similarly, the 1990s generation was radicalised by the wests failure to intervene earlier to save Muslim lives in Bosnia.
In other words, attributing Isis terror or even Isis recruitment to western action is a temptingly neat explanation, but it fails to account for the fury at western inaction. In the violent jihadist worldview, western intervention has been a provocation but so has western non-intervention.
Whats more, its not just military action that triggers a fierce Isis response. Recall the beheading of the US journalist James Foley. It came after US planes had been circling over the Sinjar mountains of Iraq. Except those aircraft dropped not bombs but food parcels, water supplies and blankets to the desperate Yazidi people then threatened with starvation, the murder of their men and the sexual enslavement of their women.
It seems Isis regards any nation that gets in the way of its caliphate restoration project as a legitimate target and thats almost everyone. On this logic, the only way to be safe from its grasp is to do nothing, to repress even our humanitarian impulse to help people dying of cold on a mountainside.
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The Guardian: Let’s deny Isis its binary struggle – and celebrate the grey zone (Original Post)
flamingdem
Nov 2015
OP
the biggest logical fallacy befalling people who moralize on public policy is
geek tragedy
Nov 2015
#1
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1. the biggest logical fallacy befalling people who moralize on public policy is
failing to recognize that all alternatives, including doing nothing, deserve equal consideration in terms of both the upside and the downside. It is not logical to pick out negative aspects of a particular course of action and conclude the matter decided.
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)2. In which case is nothing a good alternative?
I imagine it is but not sure what you're referring to here.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)3. For a lot of people doing nothing is the default choice and they need
to be persuaded otherwise. I do not subscribe to this point of view.
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)5. Agree. At least at this point Isis would have gained more territory
without those airstrikes. Containment is better than expansion for sure.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)6. I'm reminded of No Country for Old Men.
Where Anton the hit man asks the old man to call the coin flip heads or tails (if he calls it wrong, he gets killed).
When the old man asks what he has to win, the answer is "everything."
If you can stop ISIS from taking land, that's better than having to win it back.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)4. Recommended.