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Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:09 PM Dec 2015

How Alienated Youth Fall Prey to the Militant Allure of Islamic State

The profiles of the suspects behind the Paris terrorist attacks reflect a pattern often seen among perpetrators of previous atrocities—a group of guys who turned from drugs and petty crime to terrorism. What’s new is the potency of the movement that mobilized them.

To many in the West, Islamic State represents a medieval-style death cult. To its sympathizers, estimated to number in the thousands or even tens of thousands in Europe, its radical message of reviving the Sunni Muslim caliphate is strengthened by the fact that it already rules over territory.

Scott Atran, a Franco-American academic who has interviewed hundreds of radical Islamists over years, likens the rise and allure of Islamic State to the ascendancy of the Bolsheviks in czarist Russia and the National Socialist Party in Weimar Germany.

It wasn’t police, intelligence services or military that finally defeated the anarchist movements that sprang up in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, he says, but the Bolsheviks. Similarly, he says, Islamic State is eclipsing older jihadist movements including al Qaeda, in large part because of its hold on territory in Iraq and Syria.

“What destroyed [the anarchists] was the Bolshevik movement, which was just more brutal,” he said. “It was territorially based….They could say ‘We’re going to change the world just like you guys want but we have the real means to do it.’”

The existence of a “caliphate”—whose creation and expansion Islamic State fighters see as reflecting the divinely ordained Muslim conquests of the seventh century—provides the basis for a more hopeful message for followers than al Qaeda’s mostly negative motivation of punishing the West for oppressing Muslims.

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The Brussels-based suspects, like the attackers in 2004 in Madrid and in 2005 in London, were rebels on society’s margins, generally in their 20s and mostly without religious parents. They converted late, often after dissolute or aimless teenage years when they may have indulged in drugs and petty crime.

They aren’t at the bottom of the social ladder; the most humiliated in society tend not to join such groups, though they may be sympathizers. In fact, some of the Paris suspects came from families with some means, owning local shops, bars and sizable houses. Having access to resources allowed them to pay to travel to and from Syria, rent cars, and buy weapons and bomb-making materials. Such individuals suffer from a double alienation: from their often nonreligious parents and from the Western societies where they grow up and founder.

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Social networks and the Internet connect them to a transnational underground jihadist culture. Instead of broadening their minds, the Internet funnels them into a narrow worldview that resonates. Their parents are oblivious or, if they suspect something is afoot, often reluctant to turn in their children.

This generational divide is strongly evident in Molenbeek, the mostly Muslim neighborhood of row houses in Brussels where the suspected plotters were raised.

One local shopkeeper said the generation gap was exacerbated by young men’s use of the Internet, where online videos posted by groups like Islamic State fuel radicalism.

“This is not us; it comes from elsewhere,” the shopkeeper said.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-alienated-youth-fall-prey-to-the-militant-allure-of-islamic-state-1449205294

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How Alienated Youth Fall Prey to the Militant Allure of Islamic State (Original Post) question everything Dec 2015 OP
Is that related to 'How Paranoid Americans Fall Prey to the Militant Allure of the NRA'? n/t xocet Dec 2015 #1
I actually think that the Trump supporters fall into a similar category question everything Dec 2015 #2
I don't think Trump supporters are mostly disillusioned, poor and lack education. ellenrr Dec 2015 #3
Isis recruits from young male Syrian refugees ellenrr Dec 2015 #4

question everything

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2. I actually think that the Trump supporters fall into a similar category
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:38 PM
Dec 2015

Disillusioned individuals with no jobs and no prospects, because of their own lack of education and skills, or because of globalization. And thus finding someone to hate. While not killing here yet, not much, I think that the feeling is similar.

ellenrr

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3. I don't think Trump supporters are mostly disillusioned, poor and lack education.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 06:35 AM
Dec 2015

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion?

I have no evidence, but my sense is that his supporters are middle-class and up, have jobs and actually believe what he says.

Low-income people tend not to get involved in politics.

ellenrr

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4. Isis recruits from young male Syrian refugees
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 06:38 AM
Dec 2015

acc to a tv segment yesterday, (probably BBC- don't remember).

But it makes sense- The refugees have had their world turned upside-down, they are mostly poor, no prospects.
Bitter - I would be - in light of no support, and so many condemning them -

Many children have lost their parents in the flight, and so they are alone.

What better material for a recruiter who promises them lots of $, and belonging to a cause and to a group.

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