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Donald Trump’s “Ban Muslims” Proposal Is Wildly Dangerous But Not Far Outside the U.S. Mainstream
Hours after a new poll revealed that hes trailing Ted Cruz in Iowa, GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump issued a statement advocating a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our representatives can figure out whats going on. His spokesperson later clarified that this exclusion even includes Muslim-American citizens who are currently outside the U.S. On first glance, it seems accurate to view this, in the words of The Guardian, as arguably the most extreme proposal to come from any U.S. presidential candidate in decades.
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As The Atlantics Matt Ford put it yesterday: The immediate danger isnt Trumps actual policy, but the bigotry and violence that it both legitimizes and encourages. Muslim Americans (and, for that matter, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans) dont have the luxury that people like Douthat and Greenman have to be so dismissive. Thats what Al Jazeeras Sana Saeed meant when she said that shes tired of people telling us to not be afraid Trump may not win but his words will last & there are people who support the bile hes spewing.
All that said, its important not to treat Trump as some radical aberration. Hes essentially the American id, simply channeling pervasive sentiments unadorned with the typical diplomatic and PR niceties designed to prettify the prevailing mentality. He didnt propose banning all Muslims from entering the U.S. because its grounded in some fringe, out-of-the-mainstream ideas. He proposed it in part to commandeer media attention so as to distract attention away from his rivals and from that latest Iowa poll, but he also proposed it because he knows there is widespread anti-Muslim fear and hatred in the U.S. Whatever else you want to say about him, Trump is a skillful entertainer, and good entertainers like good fascist demagogues know their audience.
Trumps proposal yesterday, though a new low, is not that far afield from what other credible GOP presidential candidates previously proposed. Jeb Bush previously urged that the U.S. be wary of Syrian Muslim refugees but eagerly accept proven Christians. Ted Cruz advocated an outright ban on Syrian Muslim refugees and then introduced a bill to bar refugees from multiple predominantly Muslim countries unless theyre Christians. Ben Carson argued that no Muslim could be President because their beliefs are anathema to constitutional principles. Those proposals are more limited than what Trump advocated yesterday, but theyre hardly in a different universe; theyre grounded in the same principle that Muslims are uniquely dangerous and antithetical to American values.
Lest liberals become self-satisfied about all this, this obsession with demonizing Muslims is by no means confined to the GOP presidential field. Residing or so they claim outside the far-right and Fox News swamps, theres a sprawling cottage industry of pundits, academics, authors, TV hosts, think tanks, and anti-extremist activist groups devoted primarily to one idea: that Islam is supremely dangerous and Muslims pose the greatest threat. Beloved Democratic General Wesley Clark, while on MSNBC earlier this year, explicitly called for camps for radicalized American Muslims. CNNs role in all this is legion.
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More: https://theintercept.com/2015/12/08/donald-trumps-ban-muslims-proposal-is-wildly-dangerous-but-not-far-outside-the-u-s-mainstream/...
As The Atlantics Matt Ford put it yesterday: The immediate danger isnt Trumps actual policy, but the bigotry and violence that it both legitimizes and encourages. Muslim Americans (and, for that matter, Mexican-Americans and African-Americans) dont have the luxury that people like Douthat and Greenman have to be so dismissive. Thats what Al Jazeeras Sana Saeed meant when she said that shes tired of people telling us to not be afraid Trump may not win but his words will last & there are people who support the bile hes spewing.
All that said, its important not to treat Trump as some radical aberration. Hes essentially the American id, simply channeling pervasive sentiments unadorned with the typical diplomatic and PR niceties designed to prettify the prevailing mentality. He didnt propose banning all Muslims from entering the U.S. because its grounded in some fringe, out-of-the-mainstream ideas. He proposed it in part to commandeer media attention so as to distract attention away from his rivals and from that latest Iowa poll, but he also proposed it because he knows there is widespread anti-Muslim fear and hatred in the U.S. Whatever else you want to say about him, Trump is a skillful entertainer, and good entertainers like good fascist demagogues know their audience.
Trumps proposal yesterday, though a new low, is not that far afield from what other credible GOP presidential candidates previously proposed. Jeb Bush previously urged that the U.S. be wary of Syrian Muslim refugees but eagerly accept proven Christians. Ted Cruz advocated an outright ban on Syrian Muslim refugees and then introduced a bill to bar refugees from multiple predominantly Muslim countries unless theyre Christians. Ben Carson argued that no Muslim could be President because their beliefs are anathema to constitutional principles. Those proposals are more limited than what Trump advocated yesterday, but theyre hardly in a different universe; theyre grounded in the same principle that Muslims are uniquely dangerous and antithetical to American values.
Lest liberals become self-satisfied about all this, this obsession with demonizing Muslims is by no means confined to the GOP presidential field. Residing or so they claim outside the far-right and Fox News swamps, theres a sprawling cottage industry of pundits, academics, authors, TV hosts, think tanks, and anti-extremist activist groups devoted primarily to one idea: that Islam is supremely dangerous and Muslims pose the greatest threat. Beloved Democratic General Wesley Clark, while on MSNBC earlier this year, explicitly called for camps for radicalized American Muslims. CNNs role in all this is legion.
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Donald Trump’s “Ban Muslims” Proposal Is Wildly Dangerous But Not Far Outside the U.S. Mainstream (Original Post)
Cheese Sandwich
Dec 2015
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(21,946 posts)1. I'd rather ban the trump as he is trying to incite violence against a religion.