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riversedge

(70,239 posts)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:51 AM Dec 2015

Sick of El Niņo? You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, Warns NASA






http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/sick-el-ni-o-you-ain-t-seen-nothing-yet-n487941


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Dec 30 2015, 1:03 pm ET

Sick of El Niño? You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, Warns NASA


by Elizabeth Chuck

The El Niño currently wreaking havoc around the world is forecast to only worsen in 2016 — and NASA experts fear it could get as bad as the most destructive El Niño ever.

A new satellite image of the weather system "bears a striking resemblance to one from December 1997" — the worst El Niño on record — which was blamed for extreme weather, including record rainfall in California and Peru, heat waves across Australia, and fires in Indonesia. The severe conditions resulted in an estimated 23,000 deaths in 1997 and 1998.

This year's El Niño has already caused wild conditions for much of the United States.: It contributed to the reasons why many Americans experienced a balmy Christmas Eve, with temperature peaking in the 70s in places along the East Coast, and is responsible for deadly storms and near-record flooding in the South and Midwest.
Crippling December Flooding Only Beginning of 'Godzilla' El Nino 1:33

It also has been tied to the worst floods in five decades in South America.

But a Dec. 27 satellite image from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which measures sea surface heights, implies the worst of the droughts and flooding are still to come — a forecast that is troubling to humanitarian relief agencies. ................................
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Sick of El Niņo? You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, Warns NASA (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2015 OP
I know that it will be destructive but Dr. Xavier Dec 2015 #1
El Niņo is a copout term Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #2
It is uncharted territory and in these days of denial Downwinder Dec 2015 #3
And hazardous if we don't Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #4
Just to make sure... Indydem Dec 2015 #6
I am not economically a part of the 1% globally Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #7
And of course for those of us who care about wildlife. All of it. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #8
Here's a medal or a big fat bonus Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #9
Or a getting a bonus at all (other than Wall Streeters). Corporations are getting greedy with Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #15
Humanity seems to have reached a crisis point pscot Jan 2016 #17
You make an excellent point JayhawkSD Dec 2015 #10
The weather patterns off of Africa Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #12
We have been playing with things that we did not understand. Still don't to a large extent, but Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #16
It's a descriptive term. Igel Dec 2015 #11
I am well attuned to the root, science and source of the term Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #13
We certainly got the flooding here yesterday in Chapel Hill, NC mnhtnbb Dec 2015 #5
good diary- thanks ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #14

Dr. Xavier

(278 posts)
1. I know that it will be destructive but
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:02 AM
Dec 2015

if we don't have enough rain, the world's eighth largest economy will collapse. Dear God, Bring it. I may even go out and get a new umbrella. The last one I had, I gave to a homeless guy. Please let it rain.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
2. El Niņo is a copout term
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:12 AM
Dec 2015

because it doesn't explain what's happening in the North Atlantic which also effects North American weather. I'm not saying El Niño does not exist but it is part of the bigger picture they are not talking about.


Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
4. And hazardous if we don't
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 06:47 AM
Dec 2015

The current economic system doesn't benefit the earth's current bio-system nor 99% of earthlings living on it..
A ''Childhood's End'' to the current paradigm of thinking is necessary in order to find new solutions and thinking to what is going on

The only thing that really is 'too big to fail' and needs a bailout is the planet we live on. This is the only so called Manhattan project that we should have our main focus on.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
6. Just to make sure...
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:27 AM
Dec 2015

When speaking globally, you do know that you are likely part of the 1%, correct?

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
7. I am not economically a part of the 1% globally
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:36 AM
Dec 2015

According to the Global Rich List, a website that brings awareness to worldwide income disparities, an income of $32,400 a year will allow you to make the cut. Using current exchange rates, that amounts to roughly:

29,100 euros
2.1 million Indian rupees, or
200,900 Chinese yuan


Read more: Are You In The Top One Percent Of The World? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp#ixzz3vthEwque
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but that doesn't negate my point.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
8. And of course for those of us who care about wildlife. All of it.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:47 AM
Dec 2015

Makes one wonder just exactly what some people I see are so proud of themselves for. You helped make things worse? Well, bully for you. Here's a medal.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
15. Or a getting a bonus at all (other than Wall Streeters). Corporations are getting greedy with
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jan 2016

Mid-level Mngmt too! Gotta have more at the top!

pscot

(21,024 posts)
17. Humanity seems to have reached a crisis point
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jan 2016

It's change or die, and take the biosphere down with us.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
10. You make an excellent point
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:01 PM
Dec 2015

The illustration shows a couple of things. One is that the warm water extends considerably further west than it did in 1997/98, the other is that the northern Pacific is quite a lot warmer than it was in 1997/98. It is by no means unreasonable to expect that both of those things might have significant effects on the El Nino weather patterns world wide, if nothing else perhaps shifting the track of its impact.

For instance, northern California is normally drier in an El Nino year, while southern California is wetter. In early fall that patter was pretty evident, and San Diego got well above normal rainfall, but in the last couple months storms have passed north of us, a couple have gone south of us, and the few that hit us have been pretty dry, so we are now below our average year-to-date rainfall. The snow packs in the north, on the other hand, are at 117% of normal for this date.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
12. The weather patterns off of Africa
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:32 PM
Dec 2015

that cause all hurricanes has been abnormal thus
no hurricanes for the whole season but other patterns are creating new storms affecting Europe with hurricane force winds and flooding.

Yeah...... the world patterns are what we need to look at not just what is happening in one ocean.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
16. We have been playing with things that we did not understand. Still don't to a large extent, but
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jan 2016

we know enough to know radical change is needed. What most don't realize is that we actually have to fight greedy corporate assholes just to save our planet and every living thing on it!

Igel

(35,317 posts)
11. It's a descriptive term.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:09 PM
Dec 2015

We have a decent idea about what causes them in terms of immediate causes. They've been happening for a long time, and those causes haven't changed in nature--perhaps in intensity and frequency, but not in terms of what they are.

Prevailing winds, equatorial countercurrent, gravity, thermoclines and upwelling.

Now, accounting for the changes in intensity and frequency is the issue. While we can jump to all sorts of nifty conclusions, scientists don't. They leave it to the scientist-advocate, politician, and activists for those minor details.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
13. I am well attuned to the root, science and source of the term
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 02:14 PM
Dec 2015

Sure its happening ........ but we need to look at the bigger picture............

mnhtnbb

(31,391 posts)
5. We certainly got the flooding here yesterday in Chapel Hill, NC
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 07:06 AM
Dec 2015

There are low lying areas of town that are always flooded when we have downpours--but it's usually from summer thunderstorms.
Yesterday the Fire/Rescue evacuated about 30 residents from two apartment complexes that sit right next to a creek that flooded.

There are photos of the flooding in the Triangle area--taken by local residents--here:

http://www.wral.com/weather/image_gallery/15205462/

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