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mdbl

(4,973 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:04 AM Feb 2016

To win progressives, Hillary has to dump Bill (OP from USAToday)

From USAToday:

It’s time for Hillary Clinton to do what some wish she had done a long time ago: Ditch Bill. After last night's tussle over who is the real progressive in the Democratic primary, Bernie Sanders or Hillary, a formal separation is more needed than ever. This isn’t about his horrible behavior with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky or any other sex scandals, real or imagined. And I’m not talking about divorce. But if Mrs. Clinton plans to continue touting her progressive bona fides, she must account for her husband’s political legacy — which was far from progressive — and then distance herself from it. Otherwise, she may continue to struggle beating Bernie Sanders in other Democratic primaries and — assuming she’s the nominee — getting her base out to vote in November.

Her first concern should be that the percentage of Democrats who identify as liberal or progressive has been rising. According to a Gallup poll taken last year, nearly half of them do. Hillary Clinton — a candidate who has been cozy with Wall Street and has hawkish tendencies — needs them. She can’t afford to look like a half-hearted, or worse, opportunistic progressive. Let’s take immigration and trade as examples. While Clinton has made comprehensive immigration reform part of her campaign platform, her husband championed trade policies while president that some experts believe have hurt immigrants and U.S. citizens alike.

Hillary's position has been anything but consistent. At times, Hillary has distanced herself from her husband's North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), something she publicly favored previously. She opposed the Colombia Free Trade Agreement before she changed sides and was in favor. And now she has been on both sides of Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP.

And trade and immigration can be two sides of the same coin. The Rev. Dr. Ellin Jimmerson, director of an award-winning immigration documentary titled The Second Cooler, has criticized NAFTA in particular for forcing the “unauthorized migration of poor and indigenous peoples from Latin America to the United States.” Jimmerson argues that NAFTA lifted tariffs against U.S. exports to Mexico while removing protections for Mexican farmers, forcing them and their families into migration just to survive. Meanwhile, the broken U.S. immigration system offers few opportunities for those who are essentially economic refugees.


[link:http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/05/hillary-clinton-progressive-bernie-sanders-debate-msnbc-new-hampshire-column/79845012/|

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To win progressives, Hillary has to dump Bill (OP from USAToday) (Original Post) mdbl Feb 2016 OP
How do you feel about this? n/t JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #1
If you're asking me,, mdbl Feb 2016 #2
Bill is not the problem Cartoonist Feb 2016 #3
DNC is the problem 4dsc Feb 2016 #7
That's the larger picture Cartoonist Feb 2016 #8
USA Today: Caveat Lector Vogon_Glory Feb 2016 #4
Well, you can have that opinion if you like mdbl Feb 2016 #5
I love that the MSM is now tossing advice-savers to the inevitable one magical thyme Feb 2016 #6

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
2. If you're asking me,,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 07:33 AM
Feb 2016

I think Hillary should have dumped Bill during his public indiscretions years ago. So I agreed with the OP on that issue as well as the economic issues from Bill that changed the labor landscape in this country. When Hillary stayed in politics, I thought she would be better off on her own.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
3. Bill is not the problem
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:27 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary is.

The public still loves the big dog. Especially girls who want to be with the boys.

The problem is that Hillary sold her progressive bona fides.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
8. That's the larger picture
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:00 AM
Feb 2016

Now he represents the past. While he left an awful legacy, it now belongs to Hillary.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
4. USA Today: Caveat Lector
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:50 AM
Feb 2016

I would be leery of thinking that any progressive's comments picked by corporatist USA Today is good counsel.

USA Today today likes to pick progressive political outliers instead of more mainstream progressive writers.

To me, sidelining the Big Dog would be an act of political folly. As a symbol, as a surrogate, as a memento of a time of prosperity, the Big Dog has manna that no ivory-tower theoretician can match.

Whenever I see someone pontificating about the "need" for Democrats to distance themselves from Bill Clinton, I think about the 2000 election, and the loss that could have been a win if Al Gore had used Bill Clinton to campaign for him.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
5. Well, you can have that opinion if you like
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

but I was talking about what I would have liked to see.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
6. I love that the MSM is now tossing advice-savers to the inevitable one
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

My feelings on their advice is that she made her (metaphorical) bed, now she must lie in it.

Otherwise, it will just be another cynical ploy that will backfire. She's in a predicament. Every change in tactics backfires. Verbally, she's been on every side of pretty much every issue. Track Record-wise speaks for itself. Ethically challenged. Greedy. Warmongering. It's just not going to go away.

Now excuse me while I return to that hellfire and damnation reserved for those women who will not vote for Hillary because she has ovaries.

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