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Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:11 PM Mar 2016

Margaret Thatcher and her heirs have created a selfish and divided society (David Hare)

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... But it is not the case that everything was in chaos until 1979, since when everything has been bliss. The 1970s were disputatious times, times of profound and often bitter argument. Living through them was not easy, and a lot of us suffered wounds that took years to heal. But the political discussions we were having – in particular about how the wishes of working-class employees could be more creatively taken into account – were about important things, things that, disastrously, present-day politicians disdain to address...

... You may say that the party aims, like all such parties, to keep the well off well off. That, never forget, is any rightwing grouping’s conservative mission, which will offer a blindingly simple explanation for the larger part of its behaviour. And for obvious reasons, the money party in this particular culture has also aimed to perpetuate the narcotic influence of the monarchy. But with these two exceptions, it is hard to think of any area of public activity – education, justice, defence, health, culture – which any of the last seven Conservative governments have been interested in protecting, let alone conserving. On the contrary, they have preferred a state of near‑Maoist revolution, complaining that, in an extraordinary coincidence, almost every aspect of British life except retail and finance is incompetently organised. Who could have imagined it? And after all those dominant Conservative governments! In this belief, they have launched waves of attacks against teachers, doctors, nurses, policemen and women, soldiers, social workers, civil servants, local councillors, firefighters, broadcasters and transport workers – all of whom they openly scorn for the mortal sin of not being financiers or entrepreneurs (nor dickheads - ed.) ...

,,, The origins of conservatism’s modern incoherence lie with Thatcher. Whatever your view of her influence, she was different from her predecessors in her degree of intellectuality. She was unusually interested in ideas. Groomed by Chicago economists, she believed that Britain, robbed of the easy commercial advantages of its imperial reach, could thenceforth only prosper if it became competitive with China, with Japan, with America and with Germany. For this reason, in 1979, a crackpot theory called monetarism was briefly put into practice and allowed to wreak the havoc that destroyed one fifth of British industry. As soon as this futile theory had been painfully discredited, Conservative minds switched to obsessing on what they really wanted: the promotion and propagation of the so-called free market. If a previous form of patrician conservatism had been about respectability and social structure, this new form was about replacing all notions of public enterprise with a striving doctrine of individualism.

It is painful to point out how completely this grafting of foreign ideas onto the British economy has failed. The financial crash of 2008 dispelled once and for all the ingenious theory of the free market. The only thing, ideologues had argued, that could distort a market was the imposition of unnecessary rules and regulations by a third party, which had no vested interest in the outcome of the transaction and that was therefore a meddling force that robbed markets of their magnificent, near-mystical wisdom. These meddling forces were called governments. The flaw in the theory became apparent as soon as it was proved, once and for all, that irresponsible behaviour in a market did not simply affect the parties involved but could also, thanks to the knock-on effects of modern derivatives, bring whole national economies to their knees. The crappy practices of the banks did not punish only the guilty. Over and over, they punished the innocent far more cruelly. The myth of the free market had turned out to be exactly that: a myth, a Trotsykite fantasy, not real life...

... Even disciples of Milton Friedman in Chicago were willing to admit the scale of the rout. They openly used the words “Back to the drawing board”. But in an astonishing act of corporate blackmail, the banks themselves then insisted that they be subsidised by the state. The very same taxpayers whom they had just defrauded had to dig in their pockets to pay for the bankers’ offences. Although state aid could no longer be tolerated as a good thing for regular citizens, who, it was said, were prone to becoming depraved, spoilt and junk-food-dependent when offered free money, subsidy could still be offered, when needed, on a dazzling scale, to benefit those who were already among our country’s most privileged and who were, by coincidence, the sole progenitors of its economic collapse. What a stroke of luck! Socialism, too good for the poor, turned out to be just the ticket for the rich...

/... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/08/david-hare-why-the-tory-project-is-bust


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Margaret Thatcher and her heirs have created a selfish and divided society (David Hare) (Original Post) Ghost Dog Mar 2016 OP
Just like Reagan. n/t Wilms Mar 2016 #1
Exactly. Thatcher-Reaganism. Let's roll it back Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #2
Reagan, Thatcher and Mulroney. polly7 Mar 2016 #3
Welcome to the machine Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #4
Wow, that is very nice! polly7 Mar 2016 #5
You're welcome, polly7 Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #6
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
2. Exactly. Thatcher-Reaganism. Let's roll it back
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

to the 1970s. While those bastards want to roll us back to the 1890s, or even further backward...

This is (politico-cultural-economic) war.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
3. Reagan, Thatcher and Mulroney.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016
Thatcher, Reagan & Mulroney - And Their Snake Oil

As a person ages it gets harder to believe. With time the disconnect between belief and reality, between perception and fact, becomes inescapable, undeniable. Some truths, usually value notions such as kindness and compassion and the like, weather the scrutiny of passing time better than other concepts, particularly the ideological sort. You begin to do the unthinkable - you look down at the narrow, slippery ledge and realize how easy it is for all of us to lose our footing.

In my time we were sold the illusion of globalization. We were conned into believing we could abandon those menial, manufacturing jobs and instead embrace the information age, the "knowledge economy" of the future. We were no longer people of thermoses and lunch pails and steel toed boots. Let the developing world have those chores. We would be a society that extracted great wealth through processing and transmitting information. This would be the line by which we maintained the divide between the new world and the old.

And who sold us this nonsense? A big-haired ideologue, a rank opportunist and a borderline senile B-movie star. Thatcher, Mulroney and Reagan. Why did we believe them? What were we thinking? These three tore down vibrant, resilient societies and created a schism that perpetrated a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the ultra-rich. The rich got oh so much richer by outsourcing all those once expensive manufacturing jobs to poor nations with low wages and lax regulations. In their wake they left us with the promise of a glorious future in the knowledge economy.

Fair is fair. We yielded our manufacturing sector. We even dropped our trousers on trade and tariffs and surrendered our markets to ever less than fair competition. And, having done that, having undone ourselves, we waited for our new legacy, the knowledge economy. In the meantime we flipped burgers and kept busy selling each other those runners from Vietnam.

Today it's obvious that Thatcher, Mulroney and Reagan duped us on that knowledge economy business. That too has been outsourced. Most of us have had to deal with those technical service call centres where "Ashley" greets you with a heavy Mumbai accent. Accounting firms use number crunchers oceans away to process tax returns. My telephone company that earns its profits from me and my fellow Canadians outsources its tele-marketing campaign to South Asians. .....


http://the-mound-of-sound.blogspot.ca/2011/03/thatcher-reagan-mulroney-and-their.html

polly7

(20,582 posts)
5. Wow, that is very nice!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

Thank you!

Those three did so much harm. Mulroney was voted 'Most Hated Canadian' here, lol. I hope that burns forever.

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