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BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:14 PM Apr 2016

How Much Does Bernie Sanders Know About Policy?

The Democratic presidential hopeful had a rough interview with the New York Daily News editorial board, struggling to explain what he would do to break up the banks and more if elected.

There’s little doubting Bernie Sanders’s core political convictions—he’s been saying the same things for decades, with remarkable consistency. But turning convictions into policy is the challenge, and the Vermont senator’s interview with the editorial board of the New York Daily News raises some questions about his policy chops.

Throughout his interview, Sanders seemed taken aback when he was pressed on policy—and not just on the matters that are peripheral to his approach, like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or interrogation of detainees, but even on bread-and-butter matters like breaking up the big banks, the Democratic presidential hopeful came across as tentative, unprepared, or unaware.

It’s striking that there hasn’t been more coverage of Sanders’s policy ideas so far during the campaign, even at this late date, with most of the primary season concluded. He’s even acquired a reputation as something of a wonk, the kind of guy who eschews soaring rhetoric for dry nuts and bolts on the stump—and gets people to love him anyway. The gaps uncovered by the Daily News are not just about pragmatism. (There have, of course, been plenty of accusations, not least from Hillary Clinton’s campaign, that Sanders is offering a deeply unrealistic program. He tends to answer that they fail to grasp that he is building a political revolution.) The question here is not how Sanders would enact policies, but what those policies would be. If the Sanders campaign has shied away from deep dives into policy, this interview might be why: The candidate reveals himself as a far defter diagnostician than clinician.

The most glaring example came early in the encounter, during a discussion of the problem of “too big to fail” banks. There is disagreement among economists on the left over how important, if at all, it is to break up large financial institutions. The board granted Sanders’s argument and asked him how he’d do it, producing an excruciating cat-and-mouse game...

Sanders is the candidate of first principles. That’s a phenomenon that’s been on display repeatedly during the Democratic debates, especially on matters of foreign policy. On the one hand, there’s Hillary Clinton, who has an encyclopedic knowledge of the Middle East, but also backed the war in Iraq, thus botching the most important foreign-policy decision since Vietnam. On the other hand, there’s Sanders, whose answers about the Middle East are often opaque—see his call for a “Muslim army” to defeat ISIS—but whose gut led him to the correct decision on Iraq. Democratic voters may have to choose whether they prefer Clinton’s poor judgment or Sanders’s ignorance.

The latter was on display at the Daily News during an exchange about the peace process. Could he describe the pullback of Israeli settlements in the West Bank he has encouraged? No: “I'm not going to run the Israeli government. I've got enough problems trying to be a United States senator or maybe President of the United States.”

A moment later, he was asked why he didn’t support Palestinians using the International Criminal Court to try to prosecute Israeli leaders. “Look, why don't I support a million things in the world? I'm just telling you that I happen to believe,” the exasperated senator replied...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-sanderss-rough-ride-with-the-daily-news/476919/
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zalinda

(5,621 posts)
1. Bernie or Hillary?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:59 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie will choose people who think like he does to change the way the government works. He has shown he has good judgement. In order to be a leader, you don't have to know the nuts and bolts, but you have to have someone who knows how the nuts and bolts go together. He has over 100 economists who can help him achieve his vision.

Hillary will choose people who have served in the government and big business for decades. She has shown poor judgement. She seems to want to do what she wants to do, advice be damned. In order to be a leader, you have to listen to experts who know what they are doing. She seems to think like Obama, and to be honest, very little has changed in the working and poor class under Obama.

Z

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
5. yeah, I think that's key... plus, it's clear that Bernie's heart is largely in the right place
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

for helping people and avoiding unnecessary wars.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
12. Hillary puts loyalty (to her, not the country) over ability
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders clearly puts ability and loyalty to the people- as in "of by and for the people", first.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
2. Turns out, a lot. See his comments in 2011 on the Panamanian trade agreement
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016

or his warnings about the Iraq war. Or his many policy successes in congress.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
4. Much like Obama, he'd start with "don't do stupid shit".
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016


wow, look up there, I just prescribed a gargantuan improvement in US policy!

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
6. The difference is Obama could tell you exactly how he would do the things that he promised to do
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:57 PM
Apr 2016

This after extensive consultations on the topic. Bernie's go-it-alone style apparently leaves him a little overwhelmed on that front.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
7. No, that's sort of a lie you just told, since everyone knows Bernie's long, successful history of
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:00 PM
Apr 2016

both executive and legislative leadership and accomplishment.


So, y'know, stop lying. That's an order.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
8. If TBTF is your issue and you flunk a Daily News interview on the topic
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

you've obviously been doing more talking than listening. Not a proud moment in his long record of executive accomplishment, especially since he has been talking about the topic for many years.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
10. example-re health care
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

For example, neither Obama nor Hillary told us the real reason our health care policy is so screwed up.

A 1995 trade deal.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
9. Don't forget that being that he is a Senator, he HAS TO BE QUIET when he does not agree with certain
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

policies. that actually ties his hands. but you can tell that he knows about them and the choices of what he does do - what IS within the realm of what he can do is PRETEND THOSE DEALS DO NOT EXIST -


Which is a legitimate approach since the country has never been told about them, in my opinion that makes them ILLEGITIMATE.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
11. That's why you have advisers and consultants....
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton has scores of people to digest and simplify issues for her, suggest responses, and write talking points about them that she clearly memorizes, and she has for a long time. She sounds informed, and for any issue you ask about she's got a plan with bullet points, but if she were seriously questioned about them it would become clear that it is just a list of talking points to make her sound informed and prepared. I don't mean to single her out; almost all politicians do this. But her plans wont really change anything significantly, even if they were enacted, and, in any case, good laws and policies are not made ahead of time with a preset list of actions to check off. Rather they come through study of the problems, hearings, negotiations, etc.

I, for one, am glade that Bernie to set out a set of steps to break up banks, but rather laid out a general direction he wants to take the country. It is better to leave the details to experts who know what they are doing then lay out a plan that become a campaign promise. As Hillary Clinton ironically stated when she was asked about whether NAFTA was a success, "You'll have to ask the experts about that."

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