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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:17 PM Apr 2016

US Faces ‘Disastrous’ $3.4Tn Pension Funding Hole

The US public pension system has developed a $3.4tn funding hole that will pile pressure on cities and states to cut spending or raise taxes to avoid Detroit-style bankruptcies.

According to academic research shared exclusively with FTfm, the collective funding shortfall of US public pension funds is three times larger than official figures showed, and is getting bigger.

Devin Nunes, a US Republican congressman, said: “It has been clear for years that many cities and states are critically underfunding their pension programmes and hiding the fiscal holes with accounting tricks.”

Mr Nunes, who put forward a bill to the House of Representatives last month to overhaul how public pension plans report their figures, added: “When these pension funds go insolvent, they will create problems so disastrous that the fund officials assume the federal government will have to bail them out.”

Large pension shortfalls have already played a role in driving several US cities, including Detroit in Michigan and San Bernardino in California, to file for bankruptcy. The fear is other cities will soon become insolvent due to the size of their pension deficits.

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US Faces ‘Disastrous’ $3.4Tn Pension Funding Hole (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2016 OP
how much in taxes have been avoided by Americans rurallib Apr 2016 #1
Or not dpibel Apr 2016 #2
Public employees won't bankrupt us, elleng Apr 2016 #4
Same old horseshit. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #3
It's always been Horse Shit. Same lies pedaled by the same liars fronting for the same A##holes. Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #5

dpibel

(2,833 posts)
2. Or not
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

The Hoover Institution predicting that public employees will bankrupt us all? What an unexpected result.

Just for starters, Detroit didn't go bankrupt because of public pensions. Detroit went bankrupt because the auto industry moved out and the city lost the bulk of its tax base. Public pensions didn't bankrupt Detroit any more than any of the other obligations the city could no longer pay.

And don't forget to read to the end of the article where this is buried:

"However, Hank Kim, executive director at the National Conference on Public Employee Retirement Systems, a trade association for public pension plans in the US, called Mr Rauh’s study a “manipulation of arithmetic”.

(snip)

"Mr Kim added that public pension funds set their return targets at 7.5 per cent because that is what they have been able to achieve historically.

"US public pensions recorded an average annual return of 7.3 per cent in the 10 years to the end of June 2014, according to Cliffwater, an investment consultancy.

“Over a long-term trend, that 7.5 per cent return rate is absolutely feasible,” he said."

So the Hoover Institution doomsayer says there's big trouble, as long as you project returns of 2 to 3 percent, the US treasuries rate.

Except reality--and note we're talking a 7.3 percent average in a 10-year period that included the biggest financial meltdown since the Great Depression--says that it's Hoover Institute Man who's being unrealistic.

elleng

(130,975 posts)
4. Public employees won't bankrupt us,
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

but the failure of states and other public entities actually to FUND the public pension funds in their jurisdictions will cause individuals and other dependent entities into bankruptcies, imo.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
5. It's always been Horse Shit. Same lies pedaled by the same liars fronting for the same A##holes.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

This was put out to use in the run up to the election as one more fake fact that can be cited. The M$M echo chamber will now repeat it even though there is no economic or legal basis for mentioning it as news. Scare lies like this one generate more hits and more viewers than the truth debunking it will.

It's part of the plan to strip mine the American economy, layer by layer...And the MSM never heard of that nor will they acknowledge it. Every time anyone begins to talk about it and the players behind it the interviewer switches subjects, or makes a cutting remark about CT economics. MSM pedals the lies that all this is just the economic pendulum swinging on its way as if there was some kind of natural order to it.

They are turning us into a banana republic as fast as they can. Cash is portable, culture can be bought, Justice is for those who can afford it as is medical care, or clean air and water.

Oh yeah, the one who dies with the most toys wins!

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