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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 06:59 PM Apr 2016

the curruption of Hillary Clinton - or how Bernie fans came to regard Hillary as a witch

Of course, to Democrats this is not news. And I know, many will say those who need to read this will refuse to. Well, you are probable right. The faithful cultists are not inclined to become informed if it threatens their rapture of singular superiority. But maybe there is one or two with the nerve to venture forth into the real world to find out where their preconceptions were born.

Even if it doesn't enlighten any of the Bernie Cultists at least this article stands as a testament to the power and efficacy of The Big Lie - especially when you have the corporate media to repeat the lies, unquestioningly, and endlessly discuss them as if they were indeed fact.

If You're Liberal and You Think Hillary Clinton Is Corrupt and Untrustworthy, You're Rewarding 25 Years of GOP Smears


Obviously, Clinton carries with her more than 25 years in the white-hot public spotlight that Sanders doesn't -- despite his career in the Senate -- and over that length of time people have been able to form opinions of her and they're ones not likely to change at this point. What you know about Hillary is what you know about Hillary. There aren't a lot of surprises. Maybe you figure this is bad for her, but in truth it can be argued that this is a positive rather than a negative because there's nothing the Republicans can throw at her that we haven't already been fed to death. And when you take a step back and look at Clinton objectively -- which is admittedly difficult for many, even, or maybe particularly, on the left -- that's exactly the point. Hillary Clinton's reputation is largely the result of a quarter century of visceral GOP hatred.

With the exception of maybe Barack Obama, whom they've irrationally loathed with the fire of a thousands suns, it's tough to name anyone conservatives have more vigorously derided throughout the years than Hillary Clinton. Even her husband, as much as they tried to take him down at every turn, earned a begrudging respect from many in the Republican party. Beating him up for, say, his sexual proclivities was the height of Beltway hypocrisy and they knew it, but politics demanded they grab onto any potential scandal they could with both hands and ride it as far as it would take them. While it's true many were bitterly jealous of Clinton's seemingly depthless charisma and sorcerer's way with voters, for the GOP leadership at the time it wasn't personal -- just really dirty business. Hillary on the other hand has always been cast as an arrogant bitch, a soulless bête noire, an irredeemably corrupt and fundamentally dishonest political hustler. From the very beginning of her time in the national political limelight, she was vilified for refusing to simply sit back and be an ornament on the White House Christmas tree, as she was apparently supposed to. And when she ventured out into her own separate political career, what was considered calculating but somehow forgivable from her husband became merely calculating -- and nefariously so -- from her. Bill was allowed to be Slick Willy. Hillary was just a rotten to the core.

The Clintons' political enemies were never shy about manufacturing every kind of conspiratorial scandal under the sun to attempt to hang around the couple's necks. As The Atlantic wrote just a few days ago, no other political figures in American history have spawned "the creation of a permanent multimillion-dollar cottage industry devoted to attacking them." (And this is noteworthy in and of itself when we consider the viciousness with which the right despises any Clinton.) But Hillary always got the worst of it, because, again, she lacked the boyish, "aw-shucks" charm of her husband and because she was seen as the nakedly ambitious one in the Clintons' rocket ride to political stardom, someone who engineered her own political climb through her merely practical marriage to Bill. Whereas we normally think of presidential political scandals as involving the person in office and no one else, Clinton-haters made sure that Hillary was not only lumped in with the president but that she was part of whatever "scheme" they had seized upon and inflated -- so Whitewater and Bill's wandering eye during those early years weren't simply a crisis of character within Bill himself but were also Hillary's problem. They made sure to highlight her involvement in the land deal the GOP attempted to turn into a high crime within the White House and it was her fault her husband was a serial philanderer, as she either caused her husband's infidelity or was corrupt enough to stick by her man amidst the allegations (always cynically and only for the sake of her own political gain).

The list goes on and on: Vince Foster was Hillary Clinton's personal friend, so of course the truth about his suicide in 1993 has given way to myth and conspiracy theory from those who believe Hillary was somehow involved in the death. The more unscrupulous on the right have always peddled that nonsense as proof Hillary has a "body count" attached to her (of which Foster was only one). There was the haranguing over Hillary's "missing law firm records," which was a lot of nothing piled on top of even more nothing. There was "Travelgate," in which routine staff changes in the White House were transformed into accusations of cronyism and in which Hillary was lambasted by Republicans for allegedly using the FBI and IRS to harass the former head of the White House travel office. (Comparable to the modern right's obsession with a phony story about "Obama's IRS" auditing conservative groups.) There was "Filegate," which saw Republicans pillory the Clintons, Hillary in particular, over a minor bureaucratic mix-up in which a Hillary hire at the Office of White House Counsel accessed files he didn't have the authority to. And of course, at the tail end of their time in the White House, Hillary was accused of helping to "loot" the White House on her way out, supposedly shipping materials to the Clintons' new home in Upstate New York.

All of this was investigated and all of it was found to be crap. But Hillary Clinton's ongoing political career only gave her GOP adversaries more alleged controversies to gin-up. She engaged in dirty dealings and then covered them up. She sold secrets to China. Her long-time adviser Huma Abedin was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and her parents had ties to al-Qaeda. She was involved in the Watergate scandal, for Christ's sake, and had ties to right-wing boogeyman Saul Alinsky. And of course, she personally got four Americans killed in Benghazi and endangered the safety and security of the United States by way of her personal server and e-mail account. She's a lying liar and a cheating cheat. She's a political Cthulu who drives men to madness by sheer force of her inhuman will and absolute malevolence. This is the caricature version of Hillary Clinton the right has carefully cultivated and hammered into the national consciousness for decades now. And if you're a liberal who believes these things about Clinton -- if you see her as anything other than a liberal Democrat who's guilty of nothing more than being a politician with faults and with a plethora of enemies like every other on this planet, including Bernie Sanders -- you've proven that the protracted smear campaign against this woman has worked. You prove that the GOP won a long time ago.
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the curruption of Hillary Clinton - or how Bernie fans came to regard Hillary as a witch (Original Post) Bill USA Apr 2016 OP
Yup. I've been saying this for awhile UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #1
icons enid602 Apr 2016 #7
I was done after the John Lewis slander UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #11
Her lying about being under sniper fire wasn't "crap" revbones Apr 2016 #2
+ A Million DJ13 Apr 2016 #4
.that^ X100 840high Apr 2016 #12
Are you saying it means little? Pauldg47 Apr 2016 #13
I'm not sure what you mean by that question. nt revbones Apr 2016 #15
Totally inaccurate. I don't think for a second that she is a witch. Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #3
Hahaha!!!! Pauldg47 Apr 2016 #14
You'd like to think so, but it isn't so. I have tons of reasons for being against both Clintons. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #5
you're not the only one endorsing a Sanders nomination.. the Republicans are too... Bill USA Apr 2016 #6
plus all the down ticket races WhiteTara Apr 2016 #8
Clinton was in that race too. MisterFred Apr 2016 #17
She had less than 3% who did not vote down ticket. WhiteTara Apr 2016 #18
Keep telling yourself that. eom zalinda Apr 2016 #9
Motivating Republicans to vote against Hillary would be a piece of cake. And she's so easy to highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #10
It wasn't the Republicans who put $14 million in her personal bank account. MisterFred Apr 2016 #16
I can't count the number of times Bernie supporters on DU have portrayed Clinton as "cackling." Nitram Apr 2016 #19
What a load of bullshit. Chan790 Apr 2016 #20
Hillary a liberal Democrat? milestogo Apr 2016 #21
most people here do not attack Hillary with the same rightwing smears as Repubs Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #22
 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
1. Yup. I've been saying this for awhile
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016

Is there much you can criticize Hillary for? Absolutely. Do I think the vitriol aimed at her goes overboard and has very much been influenced by the right's demagoguery of her? Yes. By the way, I also believe that many Democrats who feel the same about Obama are rewarding the past 8 years of GOP smears.

You don't have to support her. You can absolutely disagree with her stances for good reason, but the kind of vile attacks on her just seem over the top sometimes.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
7. icons
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

But it's not just Hill they're demonizing. It's Huerta, Frank, Boxer, Pelosi, Feinstein, Chelsea, Bill, McCaskill, Holder and the list goes in and on. Elizabeth Warren and the Pope are sitting pretty . . . For now. They'd better watch it, though.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
11. I was done after the John Lewis slander
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:17 PM
Apr 2016

To go after a Civil Rights icon and hero like that was disgusting. I was done with many of the supporters then. I like Bernie but many of his supporters can kick rocks.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
2. Her lying about being under sniper fire wasn't "crap"
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

Her taking Wall St money for secret speeches wasn't "crap"

Her lying to unions about fighting the Colombia Free Trade Agreement and having it later revealed in the released emails that she secretly lobbied for it, wasn't "crap"

Yeah, the Republicans created enough fake scandals to allow some people to become inoculated to the true Hillary because you think it's all fake scandals now because surely she can do no wrong.

If she is such a paragon of virtue, then why won't she release the transcripts? Why does she use a white noise machine at her fundraisers now? Why does she AND her followers, have to lie about Bernie's record?

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
3. Totally inaccurate. I don't think for a second that she is a witch.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

At least not until we complete the dunking test.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
5. You'd like to think so, but it isn't so. I have tons of reasons for being against both Clintons.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:10 PM
Apr 2016

I even voted for Bill Clinton twice, and I'm a lifetime Democrat for 47 years. But when I came to realize ways in which Bill Clinton and then Hillary Clinton have put forward their vision for a United States and Democratic Party that is so far to the Right of what I believe in, I was left with no other choice than to fight against her, and do so vigorously.

I am energetically committed to a United States and a Democratic Party that is far different from what Hillary is promoting and particularly different than what her past actions and comments have promised me.

Bernie Sander's vision is very close to what I want. And I believe it is achievable, in concert with enough people standing up for what they really want.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
8. plus all the down ticket races
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

because Sanders supporters can't be bothered with other races. See Wisconsin election for details.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
10. Motivating Republicans to vote against Hillary would be a piece of cake. And she's so easy to
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

attack on so much of what her behavior and comments have been. And her unfavorables are so high. And for months all the polls say she's less electable against the Republicans than Bernie.

But go on and think she's more electable, if you want. I seriously disagree.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
19. I can't count the number of times Bernie supporters on DU have portrayed Clinton as "cackling."
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

It's just demonization of a Democratic candidate by her Democratic opponent.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
20. What a load of bullshit.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

We think she's corrupt because we're not deluded to the point that we can't see the obvious...like that she's corrupt.

Hillary couldn't be more suspect if she spontaneously sprouted a Dick Dastardly mustache and began to twirl it with her fingers while laughing maniacally and saying "drat!" a lot.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
22. most people here do not attack Hillary with the same rightwing smears as Repubs
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

My concerns are her war mongering and coziness to Wall St. Neither of these are standard rightwing attacks.

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