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vkkv

(3,384 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:29 AM Apr 2016

What a GOP campaign against Hillary Clinton might look like: "The Corruption Never Ends!"

Last edited Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:58 AM - Edit history (6)

(Dear DU'ers, this post is in response to the highly read posts ""Don’t be fooled by Sanders: he’s a diehard communist - preview of GOP propaganda if Bernie get's the Democratic nomination"" and ""What a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like: "When did you stop being a Communist?""" by the very same DU'er. I find these posts and other posts by that DU'er extremely biased, hurtful, unreal and over the top. It's easy to come up with reasons to assail ANY political candidate - and THAT is my point. I ask all DU'ers to disavow all post by the poster of the "What a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like: "When did you stop being a Communist?"" OP - respecfully, vkkv)

Clinton’s private-email use and concerns about whether she sent classified information have become huge stories unto themselves. This is a pattern with the Clinton family, which has been in the public spotlight since Bill Clinton’s first run for office, in 1974. While some of the emails related to Benghazi have been released, there are plenty of others covered by public-records laws that haven’t.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/

Whitewater
During the 1992 presidential campaign, reports surfaced that then-candidate Bill Clinton and his wife, Hillary, had invested and lost money in the Whitewater Development Corporation. The Clinton’s business partners, James and Susan McDougal, who were also involved in a failed savings and loan bank, were ultimately convicted of fraud. But, after seven years of investigation, costing more than $70 million, a series of independent counsels investigating the incident ultimately said there was “insufficient evidence” to prosecute the Clintons.



Monica Lewinsky

Bill Clinton was plagued by allegations of sexual affairs since first running for president in 1992 — most notably, allegations during the ’92 campaign that he had a 12-year affair with Arkansas state employee Gennifer Flowers, plus a sexual harassment lawsuit in 1994 from former Arkansas state employee Paula Jones. So, it wasn’t exactly surprising when Ken Starr discovered that Bill Clinton had “sexual relations” with White House intern Monica Lewinsky and then potentially lied about it under oath. President Clinton was impeached, though ultimately acquitted in a Senate trial. But, the incident sharpened the spotlight on Hillary and her marriage.


Foreign Foundation Donations
The latest scandal (or “scandal”) involves donations from foreign business leaders and politicians made to the Clinton Global Foundation, particularly from the period during which Bill ran the foundation while Hillary served as Secretary of State. At issue is whether some of the donations to the foundation were intended to influence Secretary Clinton and her authority.

After the Clintons moved into the presidential mansion, the political scandals multiplied
– from use of the IRS and FBI to target political opponents to stalking and harassing subjects of Bill Clinton’s sexual advances and even attempts to loot taxpayer-funded items from the White House. Americans also witnessed capers such as Travelgate, Chinagate, Filegate and Pardongate. Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades and subsequent impeachment by the U.S. House of Representatives on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice consumed more than a year of American public life and bitterly divided the nation.


Vince Foster
In a case that remains a lingering mystery, the Arkansas lawyer was found shot to death in 1993 just months after Hillary pressured him into following her and the new president to Washington, D.C., to take up a high-powered position – a stress-packed job that reportedly drove him into a deep depression.

His death from a gunshot wound to the mouth – with his father’s .38-caliber pistol at his side – was a clear case of suicide, according to law enforcement. Or was it?

In an exclusive interview, investigator Robert Morrow claimed that he has unearthed bombshell new evidence to suggest Foster was shot to death in his White House office – not in peaceful Fort Marcy Park in McLean, Va., where his body was found slumped next to a Civil War cannon on the night of July 20.

“Hillary pushed him over the edge,” Morrow said.

“The dirty secret that’s haunting Hillary to this day is that it was her instruction to move Foster’s body so that it was no longer under the jurisdiction of the Washington, D.C., police. By having the body dumped in the park, the investigation fell under a different jurisdiction – that of the U.S. Park Police.”

As corrupt public officials go, Hillary Clinton is in a league of her own. That's according to a Washington ethics watchdog that just named the Democratic presidential front-runner as top ethics violator of 2015.

The nonpartisan Foundation for Accountability and Civic Trust ( FACT) placed Clinton at the top of its worst ethics violators of 2015 list after finding "overwhelming evidence" she abused her official position as Secretary Of State

Benghazi Won't Stick to Hillary Clinton, But the Disastrous Libyan Intervention Should

Republicans are still trying to use the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya, to sink Hillary Clinton's presidential ambitions. Last week, the congressional committee investigating the attacks subpoenaed Sidney Blumenthal, who sent memos on Libya to then-Secretary of State Clinton while he was both employed by the Clinton Foundation and advising businessmen angling for contracts from the country's transitional government.

We came, we saw, he died,” Clinton laughed after learning of dictator Muammar Gaddafi’s death. She's probably less triumphant today, given that Libya is now a failing state.

Conflicts of Interest in Foggy Bottom
What? Before becoming Clinton’s chief of staff, Cheryl Mills worked for Clinton on an unpaid basis for four month while also working for New York University, in which capacity she negotiated on the school’s behalf with the government of Abu Dhabi, where it was building a campus. In June 2012, Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin’s status at State changed to “special government employee,” allowing her to also work for Teneo, a consulting firm run by Bill Clinton’s former right-hand man. She also earned money from the Clinton Foundation and was paid directly by Hillary Clinton.

Who? Both Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin are among Clinton’s longest-serving and closest aides. Abedin remains involved in her campaign (and she’s also married to Anthony Weiner).

When? January 2009-February 2013

How serious is it? This is arcane stuff, to be sure. There are questions about conflict of interest—such as whether Teneo clients might have benefited from special treatment by the State Department while Abedin worked for both. To a great extent, this is just an extension of the tangle of conflicts presented by the Clinton Foundation and the many overlapping roles of Bill and Hillary Clinton.


Sidney Blumenthal

What? A former journalist, Blumenthal was a top aide in the second term of the Bill Clinton administration and helped on messaging during the bad old days. He served as an adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, and when she took over the State Department, she sought to hire Blumenthal. Obama aides, apparently still smarting over his role in attacks on candidate Obama, refused the request, so Clinton just sought out his counsel informally. At the same time, Blumenthal was drawing a check from the Clinton Foundation.
Some of the damage is already done. Blumenthal was apparently the source of the idea that the Benghazi attacks were spontaneous, a notion that proved incorrect and provided a political bludgeon against Clinton and Obama. He also advised the secretary on a wide range of other issues, from Northern Ireland to China, and passed along analysis from his son Max, a staunch critic of the Israeli government (and conservative bête noire). But emails released so far show even Clinton’s top foreign-policy guru, Jake Sullivan, rejecting Blumenthal’s analysis, raising questions about her judgment in trusting him.

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What a GOP campaign against Hillary Clinton might look like: "The Corruption Never Ends!" (Original Post) vkkv Apr 2016 OP
sounds like the bernie crowd. nothing new. will repubs call her a democratic corporate you know what msongs Apr 2016 #1
... kaleckim Apr 2016 #2
Well said.. eom vkkv Apr 2016 #3
.that^ 840high Apr 2016 #26
thats republican talk MFM008 Apr 2016 #29
Excuse me kaleckim Apr 2016 #36
And how about the multitude of BILL USA's posts? Come on, try to be honest.. vkkv Apr 2016 #4
Huh? "Bernie crowd"? Really? WTF does THAT mean??? eom vkkv Apr 2016 #7
That is pretty much what the DU campaign against Hillary looks like Itchinjim Apr 2016 #5
See::What a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like:When did you stop being a Communist? vkkv Apr 2016 #6
Spot on! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #15
The entire USA is NOT D.U........... ~eom vkkv Apr 2016 #35
None of those made up scandals have worked against her. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #8
Haven't worked AGAINST HER? That's laugh !! The GOP will say she can't be trusted! vkkv Apr 2016 #9
No current scandals? How about he STOLE Clinton campaign data then sued the DNC over it? SunSeeker Apr 2016 #10
Yawn, Bernie APOLOGIZED for his staffer's mistake and promptly FIRED his butt. No big deal, vkkv Apr 2016 #11
Some "apology"--he then sued the DNC and claimed it was all their fault! SunSeeker Apr 2016 #12
It was their fault concreteblue Apr 2016 #13
The DNC did not make the Sanders campaign spend an hour downloading Clinton data. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #14
That data WAS THERE. But the Sanders campaign could not get into the voter database that is their vkkv Apr 2016 #16
The Sanders campaign did not have a "right" to download Clinton data. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #17
See my previous comment.. Thanks for kicking my post! ~eom vkkv Apr 2016 #18
Download=zombie lie concreteblue Apr 2016 #19
No data downloaded=zombie lie SunSeeker Apr 2016 #20
Folders that were ON THE SERVER! concreteblue Apr 2016 #21
They downloaded Clinton data INTO THEIR PERSONAL FOLDERS. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #22
It has everything to do with what a DOWNLOAD is. concreteblue Apr 2016 #23
Sanders staffers stole data, and you want to quibble about what "download" means? SunSeeker Apr 2016 #24
An obviously bad thought-piece vs Defending a Pedophile in a Court of Law? concreteblue Apr 2016 #25
She was doing what was ethically required of her as a public defender... SunSeeker Apr 2016 #32
I think you need to read up on Honduras concreteblue Apr 2016 #34
Those scandals are of her own doing. 840high Apr 2016 #27
IF THEY HAD 1 THING MFM008 Apr 2016 #30
Yep. nt SunSeeker Apr 2016 #31
They're going to try to get her to cry in public Warpy Apr 2016 #28
Do you think she doesn't know what's coming? gwheezie Apr 2016 #33
K&R Carolina Apr 2016 #37
GOP can't effectively attack Hillary on Libya or corruption yurbud Apr 2016 #38

msongs

(67,413 posts)
1. sounds like the bernie crowd. nothing new. will repubs call her a democratic corporate you know what
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

kaleckim

(651 posts)
2. ...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:39 AM
Apr 2016

but critiques of her corruption should be universal, it shouldn't be up to supporters of another candidate to challenge her or her (or anyone else's) corruption. She and her husband have gotten over three billion from corporate interests since entering politics, her largest donors over her career are banks, and she and her campaign have been doing tons of fundraisers with corporate and Wall Street groups/lobbyists since she entered the race. Why shouldn't everyone, even her supporters, challenge her on this? How does it benefit most people to not challenge her on that? Don't criticize Citizens United if you provide cover for that.

By the way, the GOP is obviously corrupt as well. More than anything, her corruption takes away a powerful critique that Sanders can make of them. It weakens her candidacy greatly if she can't critique them on that, especially in this political climate, and she can't.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
29. thats republican talk
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:11 AM
Apr 2016

what corruption? The republicans say she is corrupt and those unhappy with tonights results yell corruption and voter fraud and all sorts of tom foolery.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
36. Excuse me
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:38 PM
Apr 2016

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but Republicans now have a monopoly on critiquing corruption? Is that what the left, or the barely left, wants? They rose to power with Walmart money. They have been given three billion, BILLION, dollars from corporate interests since they entered politics. Her largest donors over her career in politics are large banks and other corporate interests. She and her husband have been given $150 million in the last decade and a half, or so, about $200,000 a speech, from corporate interests. She, her family and her campaign have been meeting with corporate interests left and right since she entered the race. How in the heck is that Republican talk? They are corrupt too, obviously. Since when did the Democratic Party stop caring about this? My god, before she entered the race many of you were screaming about corruption and Citizens United, now look at the arguments you are making. I also could give you a long list of policies she and her husband have supported that have benefited those interests, and am more than willing to give you them if you want to deny this.

I have to ask, do you realize that there are left wing critiques of the Democratic Party and politicians like Hillary Clinton? Do you realize that they exist? If so, what do they look like? Cause it seems that you have all lost the ability to differentiate between left wing and right wing critiques of politicians like the Clintons, which says more about you than people like myself.

Here, is Noam Chosmky a Republican too?





 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
4. And how about the multitude of BILL USA's posts? Come on, try to be honest..
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:16 AM
Apr 2016

I know its hard to be honest and face oneself as an HRC supporter.. just try a little bit.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
6. See::What a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like:When did you stop being a Communist?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:41 AM
Apr 2016

Just for kicks.. Where have you been? Tad bit biased, eh Itchin?

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
8. None of those made up scandals have worked against her.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:35 AM
Apr 2016

She has already proven that.

So if that's all they've got, and it certainly appears it is, then Hillary will be in fine shape in the GE.

But Sanders, on the other hand, has never had to deal with the sort of attacks the GOP would raise against him. He has spent the last 25 years in a safe seat in the bluest of the blue states.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
9. Haven't worked AGAINST HER? That's laugh !! The GOP will say she can't be trusted!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

The GOP will use all of the ammunition they have. The GOP will pounce on HRC's unfavorable numbers.
-and guess what?

BERNIE HAS NO CURRENT SCANDALS and NEVER DID!




SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
10. No current scandals? How about he STOLE Clinton campaign data then sued the DNC over it?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

How about having his wife sit on a nuke board that pushed dumping Vermont nuclear waste on a poor largely Latino Texas town?

How about using campaign cash for a Roman holiday for himself, his wife and 10 relatives?

How about the $10 million donation from someone in D.C. that he has yet to respond to the FEC inquiry about?

Your hero worship of St. Bernard is keeping you blind to the fact that Sanders has a lot of scandals brewing.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
11. Yawn, Bernie APOLOGIZED for his staffer's mistake and promptly FIRED his butt. No big deal,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

the error-prone DWS-led DNC created the "scandal" anyway.

Better luck next time.




SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
12. Some "apology"--he then sued the DNC and claimed it was all their fault!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

Just like you are doing now with your it's "never St. Bernard's fault" lame excuses.

The difference is the GOP does not harp on Sanders’s scandals because they desperately want him to win the nomination. The know they can bury him in the GE.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
13. It was their fault
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016

Incompetence at best, election fraud at worst. The same breach, and the others documented, allowed the Clinton campaign the same access. And now, li and behold, we see election frAud writ large in the form of missing and changed voter registrations in AZ, PA, NY and who knows where else. And who are the victims of these changes/missing registrations? By large nay, huge, percentages, Sanders supporters and newly registered independents. And we know THEY are not voting for Hillary.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
14. The DNC did not make the Sanders campaign spend an hour downloading Clinton data.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

Whose fault was it that Sanders used campaign cash to fly himself, his wife and 10 relatives to Rome?

Whose fault was it that he pushed a law through to get Vermont nuclear waste dumped on a poor Latino town in Texas--and had his wife sitting on the nuke waste board to make sure that happened?

Amazing the blinders on some Sanders supporters.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
16. That data WAS THERE. But the Sanders campaign could not get into the voter database that is their
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

right.

The DNC WAS holding back info - the DNC admitted to it!

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
17. The Sanders campaign did not have a "right" to download Clinton data.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:51 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders did have a "right" to dump Vermont's nuke waste in a poor town in Texas.

Sanders did not have "right" to use campaign cash to send his relatives on a Roman holiday.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
20. No data downloaded=zombie lie
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016
According to data reviewed by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in 10 early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s databaseand saved them to their personal folders.


http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/


Data was downloaded and saved to personal folders. Quit lying.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
22. They downloaded Clinton data INTO THEIR PERSONAL FOLDERS.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

That means they downloaded it, and did not tell the Clinton Campaign. The Clinton Campaign does not have access to the personal folders of the Sanders campaign. Whether or not those personal folders were on the server makes no difference with regard to whether it was theft. Quit lying.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
23. It has everything to do with what a DOWNLOAD is.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:46 PM
Apr 2016

Moving files around on a server is NOT downloading. In fact, the company's spokesman said at the time that it was not possible to actually DOWNLOAD anything from that server, that all data was restricted to the server.
A couple of other points: The Sanders campaign notified the DNC of the breach. They fired the person responsible for accessing the data, even though he pled "white hat" hacking defense. We have no idea if the Clinton campaign accessed Sander's data, and with the registration shenanigans in AZ, NY, PA and who knows where else affecting mostly Sanders supporters, it does not take Neil Tyson to draw conclusions. And while we are hijacking the thread, your post has nothing to do with the OP.
Kinda like how nobody made Hillary accuse a 12 year old of enticing an old man to rape her:
“…the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,” “…she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way,” “[children in early adolescence] tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences [especially when they come from] disorganized families, such as the complainant.”

Why does Hillary still back how she handled this case?? It totally ruined that 12-year-old girl’s life because Hillary made it official that the girl deserved to be raped because she wanted to have sex with 41-year-old man!!!"

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
24. Sanders staffers stole data, and you want to quibble about what "download" means?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:57 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders took 10 of his relatives and his wife to Rome on a private Boeing 767 with campaign cash, and you want to accuse Hillary of scandals?

Oh, and you want to talk about rape? Here's Sanders's epic piece, "Man - and woman":

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
32. She was doing what was ethically required of her as a public defender...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:25 AM
Apr 2016

...versus whatever it was Sanders was doing in that piece.

The defendant got time. If she had not presented the man's defenses, he could have gotten off altogether for ineffective assistance of counsel.

I mean seriously, what are you trying to say, that Hillary hearts rapist pedophiles? Never mind, don't bother answering. This is not a good night to speak with Sanders supporters. You can call me whatever names you like. Get it out of your system. And have a good night.


MFM008

(19,814 posts)
30. IF THEY HAD 1 THING
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:14 AM
Apr 2016

She would be out of politics at least.
1 lousy piece of evidence..............gone.
history.
It isn't there.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
28. They're going to try to get her to cry in public
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:54 AM
Apr 2016

How do I know? See the last gasp of the Benghazi hearings?

They're shit out of luck, she's a tough cookie and is not going to give scumbag bullies the satisfaction of a crumble.

It's going to be ugly as hell to watch.

They'll kiss the women's vote, even the baby besotted fundie women's vote, a not so fond farewell for a couple of generations.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
33. Do you think she doesn't know what's coming?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:30 AM
Apr 2016

None of this is new. They can rehash it and it will hurt her but they're afraid of her and should be, she has beaten them before, she's still standing.
BTW, I think Bernie would be able to handle them also but he might have a few more missteps since he hasn't come up against 30 years of constant attacks. Hillary is going to be hard to shake up. There's a reason she's seen as scripted, she's been attacked for decades. She has to be a step ahead of them.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
37. K&R
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

It amazes me how many HRC supporters are amnestic about Bill's terms in office. They magically think HRC will be so dynamic and get sooo much done. What planet were they living on from 1993-2000. Have they completely forgotten that every Republican voted against Bill's very first piece of legislation: the Omnibus Budget Bill of 1993. And promptly thereafter they launched investigation after investigation and dug up scandal after scandal after scandal during which the Dems started hemorrhaging Congressional seats and gubernatorial positions (Ann Richards, Mario Cuomo) with Newt's 1994 revolution. And it's only gotten worse under the new DNC with DWS... more losses in 2010 and again in 2014, made entrenched by gerrymandering.

Bill's Telecommunications Bill, Crime Bill, Welfare Reform Bill and reversal of Glass-Steagall were only supported because at their core, they were all Republican ideas. Then, HRC supported Bush's IWR, Patriot acts 1&2 and Bankruptcy bill, again... repuke ideas. This is what we'll get with the Clintons... again

This time around, though, there is much more material with reams of YouTube video footage. Anything that gets done will be for the benefit of repukes or corporations; and with corporate healthcare, corporate education, corporate government and corporate personhood, etc. the USSC will remain firmly in the hands of and for the benefit of corporations... regardless of who's in the White House.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
38. GOP can't effectively attack Hillary on Libya or corruption
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

Stove they never met a military intervention they didn't like and corruption isn't a betrayal of their ideals, it is their ideal.

And I don't even like Hillary.

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