What a GOP campaign against Hillary Clinton might look like: "The Corruption Never Ends!"
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(Dear DU'ers, this post is in response to the highly read posts ""Dont be fooled by Sanders: hes a diehard communist - preview of GOP propaganda if Bernie get's the Democratic nomination"" and ""What a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like: "When did you stop being a Communist?""" by the very same DU'er. I find these posts and other posts by that DU'er extremely biased, hurtful, unreal and over the top. It's easy to come up with reasons to assail ANY political candidate - and THAT is my point. I ask all DU'ers to disavow all post by the poster of the "What a GOP campaign against Bernie Sanders might look like: "When did you stop being a Communist?"" OP - respecfully, vkkv)
Clintons private-email use and concerns about whether she sent classified information have become huge stories unto themselves. This is a pattern with the Clinton family, which has been in the public spotlight since Bill Clintons first run for office, in 1974. While some of the emails related to Benghazi have been released, there are plenty of others covered by public-records laws that havent.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/
Whitewater
During the 1992 presidential campaign, reports surfaced that then-candidate Bill Clinton and his wife, Hillary, had invested and lost money in the Whitewater Development Corporation. The Clintons business partners, James and Susan McDougal, who were also involved in a failed savings and loan bank, were ultimately convicted of fraud. But, after seven years of investigation, costing more than $70 million, a series of independent counsels investigating the incident ultimately said there was insufficient evidence to prosecute the Clintons.
Monica Lewinsky
Bill Clinton was plagued by allegations of sexual affairs since first running for president in 1992 most notably, allegations during the 92 campaign that he had a 12-year affair with Arkansas state employee Gennifer Flowers, plus a sexual harassment lawsuit in 1994 from former Arkansas state employee Paula Jones. So, it wasnt exactly surprising when Ken Starr discovered that Bill Clinton had sexual relations with White House intern Monica Lewinsky and then potentially lied about it under oath. President Clinton was impeached, though ultimately acquitted in a Senate trial. But, the incident sharpened the spotlight on Hillary and her marriage.
Foreign Foundation Donations
The latest scandal (or scandal) involves donations from foreign business leaders and politicians made to the Clinton Global Foundation, particularly from the period during which Bill ran the foundation while Hillary served as Secretary of State. At issue is whether some of the donations to the foundation were intended to influence Secretary Clinton and her authority.
After the Clintons moved into the presidential mansion, the political scandals multiplied from use of the IRS and FBI to target political opponents to stalking and harassing subjects of Bill Clintons sexual advances and even attempts to loot taxpayer-funded items from the White House. Americans also witnessed capers such as Travelgate, Chinagate, Filegate and Pardongate. Bill Clintons sexual escapades and subsequent impeachment by the U.S. House of Representatives on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice consumed more than a year of American public life and bitterly divided the nation.
Vince Foster
In a case that remains a lingering mystery, the Arkansas lawyer was found shot to death in 1993 just months after Hillary pressured him into following her and the new president to Washington, D.C., to take up a high-powered position a stress-packed job that reportedly drove him into a deep depression.
His death from a gunshot wound to the mouth with his fathers .38-caliber pistol at his side was a clear case of suicide, according to law enforcement. Or was it?
In an exclusive interview, investigator Robert Morrow claimed that he has unearthed bombshell new evidence to suggest Foster was shot to death in his White House office not in peaceful Fort Marcy Park in McLean, Va., where his body was found slumped next to a Civil War cannon on the night of July 20.
Hillary pushed him over the edge, Morrow said.
The dirty secret thats haunting Hillary to this day is that it was her instruction to move Fosters body so that it was no longer under the jurisdiction of the Washington, D.C., police. By having the body dumped in the park, the investigation fell under a different jurisdiction that of the U.S. Park Police.
As corrupt public officials go, Hillary Clinton is in a league of her own. That's according to a Washington ethics watchdog that just named the Democratic presidential front-runner as top ethics violator of 2015.
The nonpartisan Foundation for Accountability and Civic Trust ( FACT) placed Clinton at the top of its worst ethics violators of 2015 list after finding "overwhelming evidence" she abused her official position as Secretary Of State
Benghazi Won't Stick to Hillary Clinton, But the Disastrous Libyan Intervention Should
Republicans are still trying to use the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya, to sink Hillary Clinton's presidential ambitions. Last week, the congressional committee investigating the attacks subpoenaed Sidney Blumenthal, who sent memos on Libya to then-Secretary of State Clinton while he was both employed by the Clinton Foundation and advising businessmen angling for contracts from the country's transitional government.
We came, we saw, he died, Clinton laughed after learning of dictator Muammar Gaddafis death. She's probably less triumphant today, given that Libya is now a failing state.
Conflicts of Interest in Foggy Bottom
What? Before becoming Clintons chief of staff, Cheryl Mills worked for Clinton on an unpaid basis for four month while also working for New York University, in which capacity she negotiated on the schools behalf with the government of Abu Dhabi, where it was building a campus. In June 2012, Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedins status at State changed to special government employee, allowing her to also work for Teneo, a consulting firm run by Bill Clintons former right-hand man. She also earned money from the Clinton Foundation and was paid directly by Hillary Clinton.
Who? Both Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin are among Clintons longest-serving and closest aides. Abedin remains involved in her campaign (and shes also married to Anthony Weiner).
When? January 2009-February 2013
How serious is it? This is arcane stuff, to be sure. There are questions about conflict of interestsuch as whether Teneo clients might have benefited from special treatment by the State Department while Abedin worked for both. To a great extent, this is just an extension of the tangle of conflicts presented by the Clinton Foundation and the many overlapping roles of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Sidney Blumenthal
What? A former journalist, Blumenthal was a top aide in the second term of the Bill Clinton administration and helped on messaging during the bad old days. He served as an adviser to Hillary Clintons 2008 presidential campaign, and when she took over the State Department, she sought to hire Blumenthal. Obama aides, apparently still smarting over his role in attacks on candidate Obama, refused the request, so Clinton just sought out his counsel informally. At the same time, Blumenthal was drawing a check from the Clinton Foundation.
Some of the damage is already done. Blumenthal was apparently the source of the idea that the Benghazi attacks were spontaneous, a notion that proved incorrect and provided a political bludgeon against Clinton and Obama. He also advised the secretary on a wide range of other issues, from Northern Ireland to China, and passed along analysis from his son Max, a staunch critic of the Israeli government (and conservative bête noire). But emails released so far show even Clintons top foreign-policy guru, Jake Sullivan, rejecting Blumenthals analysis, raising questions about her judgment in trusting him.
msongs
(67,413 posts)but critiques of her corruption should be universal, it shouldn't be up to supporters of another candidate to challenge her or her (or anyone else's) corruption. She and her husband have gotten over three billion from corporate interests since entering politics, her largest donors over her career are banks, and she and her campaign have been doing tons of fundraisers with corporate and Wall Street groups/lobbyists since she entered the race. Why shouldn't everyone, even her supporters, challenge her on this? How does it benefit most people to not challenge her on that? Don't criticize Citizens United if you provide cover for that.
By the way, the GOP is obviously corrupt as well. More than anything, her corruption takes away a powerful critique that Sanders can make of them. It weakens her candidacy greatly if she can't critique them on that, especially in this political climate, and she can't.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)MFM008
(19,814 posts)what corruption? The republicans say she is corrupt and those unhappy with tonights results yell corruption and voter fraud and all sorts of tom foolery.
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but Republicans now have a monopoly on critiquing corruption? Is that what the left, or the barely left, wants? They rose to power with Walmart money. They have been given three billion, BILLION, dollars from corporate interests since they entered politics. Her largest donors over her career in politics are large banks and other corporate interests. She and her husband have been given $150 million in the last decade and a half, or so, about $200,000 a speech, from corporate interests. She, her family and her campaign have been meeting with corporate interests left and right since she entered the race. How in the heck is that Republican talk? They are corrupt too, obviously. Since when did the Democratic Party stop caring about this? My god, before she entered the race many of you were screaming about corruption and Citizens United, now look at the arguments you are making. I also could give you a long list of policies she and her husband have supported that have benefited those interests, and am more than willing to give you them if you want to deny this.
I have to ask, do you realize that there are left wing critiques of the Democratic Party and politicians like Hillary Clinton? Do you realize that they exist? If so, what do they look like? Cause it seems that you have all lost the ability to differentiate between left wing and right wing critiques of politicians like the Clintons, which says more about you than people like myself.
Here, is Noam Chosmky a Republican too?
vkkv
(3,384 posts)I know its hard to be honest and face oneself as an HRC supporter.. just try a little bit.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)Itchinjim
(3,085 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)Just for kicks.. Where have you been? Tad bit biased, eh Itchin?
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)She has already proven that.
So if that's all they've got, and it certainly appears it is, then Hillary will be in fine shape in the GE.
But Sanders, on the other hand, has never had to deal with the sort of attacks the GOP would raise against him. He has spent the last 25 years in a safe seat in the bluest of the blue states.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)The GOP will use all of the ammunition they have. The GOP will pounce on HRC's unfavorable numbers.
-and guess what?
BERNIE HAS NO CURRENT SCANDALS and NEVER DID!
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)How about having his wife sit on a nuke board that pushed dumping Vermont nuclear waste on a poor largely Latino Texas town?
How about using campaign cash for a Roman holiday for himself, his wife and 10 relatives?
How about the $10 million donation from someone in D.C. that he has yet to respond to the FEC inquiry about?
Your hero worship of St. Bernard is keeping you blind to the fact that Sanders has a lot of scandals brewing.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)the error-prone DWS-led DNC created the "scandal" anyway.
Better luck next time.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)Just like you are doing now with your it's "never St. Bernard's fault" lame excuses.
The difference is the GOP does not harp on Sanderss scandals because they desperately want him to win the nomination. The know they can bury him in the GE.
concreteblue
(626 posts)Incompetence at best, election fraud at worst. The same breach, and the others documented, allowed the Clinton campaign the same access. And now, li and behold, we see election frAud writ large in the form of missing and changed voter registrations in AZ, PA, NY and who knows where else. And who are the victims of these changes/missing registrations? By large nay, huge, percentages, Sanders supporters and newly registered independents. And we know THEY are not voting for Hillary.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)Whose fault was it that Sanders used campaign cash to fly himself, his wife and 10 relatives to Rome?
Whose fault was it that he pushed a law through to get Vermont nuclear waste dumped on a poor Latino town in Texas--and had his wife sitting on the nuke waste board to make sure that happened?
Amazing the blinders on some Sanders supporters.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)right.
The DNC WAS holding back info - the DNC admitted to it!
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)Sanders did have a "right" to dump Vermont's nuke waste in a poor town in Texas.
Sanders did not have "right" to use campaign cash to send his relatives on a Roman holiday.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)concreteblue
(626 posts)No data was downloaded. Quit lying.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 listsconsisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaigns databaseand saved them to their personal folders.
http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/
Data was downloaded and saved to personal folders. Quit lying.
concreteblue
(626 posts)Not on the campaing's computers. Quit lying.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)That means they downloaded it, and did not tell the Clinton Campaign. The Clinton Campaign does not have access to the personal folders of the Sanders campaign. Whether or not those personal folders were on the server makes no difference with regard to whether it was theft. Quit lying.
concreteblue
(626 posts)Moving files around on a server is NOT downloading. In fact, the company's spokesman said at the time that it was not possible to actually DOWNLOAD anything from that server, that all data was restricted to the server.
A couple of other points: The Sanders campaign notified the DNC of the breach. They fired the person responsible for accessing the data, even though he pled "white hat" hacking defense. We have no idea if the Clinton campaign accessed Sander's data, and with the registration shenanigans in AZ, NY, PA and who knows where else affecting mostly Sanders supporters, it does not take Neil Tyson to draw conclusions. And while we are hijacking the thread, your post has nothing to do with the OP.
Kinda like how nobody made Hillary accuse a 12 year old of enticing an old man to rape her:
the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,
she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way, [children in early adolescence] tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences [especially when they come from] disorganized families, such as the complainant.
Why does Hillary still back how she handled this case?? It totally ruined that 12-year-old girls life because Hillary made it official that the girl deserved to be raped because she wanted to have sex with 41-year-old man!!!"
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)Sanders took 10 of his relatives and his wife to Rome on a private Boeing 767 with campaign cash, and you want to accuse Hillary of scandals?
Oh, and you want to talk about rape? Here's Sanders's epic piece, "Man - and woman":
concreteblue
(626 posts)You are one sick puppy.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)...versus whatever it was Sanders was doing in that piece.
The defendant got time. If she had not presented the man's defenses, he could have gotten off altogether for ineffective assistance of counsel.
I mean seriously, what are you trying to say, that Hillary hearts rapist pedophiles? Never mind, don't bother answering. This is not a good night to speak with Sanders supporters. You can call me whatever names you like. Get it out of your system. And have a good night.
concreteblue
(626 posts)And the former SOS role in what happened there.
840high
(17,196 posts)MFM008
(19,814 posts)She would be out of politics at least.
1 lousy piece of evidence..............gone.
history.
It isn't there.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)How do I know? See the last gasp of the Benghazi hearings?
They're shit out of luck, she's a tough cookie and is not going to give scumbag bullies the satisfaction of a crumble.
It's going to be ugly as hell to watch.
They'll kiss the women's vote, even the baby besotted fundie women's vote, a not so fond farewell for a couple of generations.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)None of this is new. They can rehash it and it will hurt her but they're afraid of her and should be, she has beaten them before, she's still standing.
BTW, I think Bernie would be able to handle them also but he might have a few more missteps since he hasn't come up against 30 years of constant attacks. Hillary is going to be hard to shake up. There's a reason she's seen as scripted, she's been attacked for decades. She has to be a step ahead of them.
It amazes me how many HRC supporters are amnestic about Bill's terms in office. They magically think HRC will be so dynamic and get sooo much done. What planet were they living on from 1993-2000. Have they completely forgotten that every Republican voted against Bill's very first piece of legislation: the Omnibus Budget Bill of 1993. And promptly thereafter they launched investigation after investigation and dug up scandal after scandal after scandal during which the Dems started hemorrhaging Congressional seats and gubernatorial positions (Ann Richards, Mario Cuomo) with Newt's 1994 revolution. And it's only gotten worse under the new DNC with DWS... more losses in 2010 and again in 2014, made entrenched by gerrymandering.
Bill's Telecommunications Bill, Crime Bill, Welfare Reform Bill and reversal of Glass-Steagall were only supported because at their core, they were all Republican ideas. Then, HRC supported Bush's IWR, Patriot acts 1&2 and Bankruptcy bill, again... repuke ideas. This is what we'll get with the Clintons... again
This time around, though, there is much more material with reams of YouTube video footage. Anything that gets done will be for the benefit of repukes or corporations; and with corporate healthcare, corporate education, corporate government and corporate personhood, etc. the USSC will remain firmly in the hands of and for the benefit of corporations... regardless of who's in the White House.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Stove they never met a military intervention they didn't like and corruption isn't a betrayal of their ideals, it is their ideal.
And I don't even like Hillary.