HRC thinks she knows all about the middle east and how to have a quick, easy, preemptive war. Just what America needs, another chicken hawk leader who wants to be a "wartime President".

I wonder if any of Clinton's supporters will complain about her throwing the President under the bus. I think none of them will.

. . . led directly to the rise of Isis.

you bet she would claim responsibility. Responsibility is a two way street, which Hillary supporters tend to forget.

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Whom himself wouldn't have been in office of people had actually voted in 2000 or not gone third party.

There was this little thing called the SCOTUS that interfered, and that's what's on the line this time.

Over 300,000 DEMOCRATS voted for Bush in 2000 in Florida. Over 97,000 people voted for Nader in Florida. Oh, and those 97,000 people weren't all Democrats.

Tell me, who or what caused the most damage?

Z

Plus Jebby... Plus SCOTUS

No different than the Bernie or Bust folks now.

for Hillary's loss? Blame her, it's her message. If she can't close the deal then it's her fault.

Hell, if I walk onto a car lot and I don't buy a car, it's not my fault, or the other customer's fault, it's the fault of the fucking salesman. I was there, I was ready to buy, but they didn't offer me what I wanted or needed.

Gore didn't close the deal. And, if Hillary doesn't close the deal, it's her fault, period.

Stop making excuses for her future failure.

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Because its use by Madeline Albright to refer to 500,000 dead Iraqi children being "worth it".

Was that conscious signalling behavior?

"Elect me, I'll be a war hawk and keep the big bucks rolling in" ?

When I saw that Hil used that phrase as her book title, I was/am horrified.

Of something that happened before that... What was it...








Oh yeah the War in Iraq she signed us up for... And killing (hahahahahahaahahahahahahah) of Gaddafi helped them in Libya. And the billions in weapons she sold Saudi Arabia is helping them in Yemen.

We see young smart, secular people hit the streets in protest and we put old, stupid religious types in charge.

Or something. Which we never get.

which is which and just how much good or bad they are. There are those who hunger for democratic freedoms and are ready to do "our" bidding to obtain them. It is the old Cold War equation.
The complexion of Syrian politics and economics was never that simple. Were it so this approach would have been tried decades ago. The primary cause of the Syrian uprising was not a local desire for democratic rule but the meddling in no particular order by the House of Saud, the Qatari government and the CIA (among other American agencies).
The principle cause of this disaster was and remains the desire on the part of the Saudis and Qataris to build a pipeline to Turkey to supply natural gas. Pipelineistan is the term used to describe the wars over oil and natural gas distribution in the region. ISIS arose from the Saudi intentions to disable the 10 billion dollar natural gas pipeline from Iran to Turkey in favor of another pipeline which would originate from Qatari and Saudi sources.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/201285133440424621.html

HRC's perspective that there was (and is) a magic formula that would remove Assad is based on thin air and specious reasoning, and denies the facts on the ground. I do see that ISIS is a threat. I do not agree with the solutions proposed by the former SOS nor her version of the history of ISIS. I think we are being fed a lot of hot air to enable the perpetual wars in the ME in support of Saudi desires to manipulate oil and gas dominance in the region. If all this weaponized foreign policy were really about humanitarian goals we would have long ago invaded or destabilized Saudi Arabia among other ruthless states in the region.

Nice to see....

Her rejection of Obama's edict: "don't do stupid stuff" is exactly the sort of approach we need when it comes to completely fucking up other countries. We need to do a lot more stupid stuff if we want to keep our military industries fully profitable. Sure people will die, but you know, we are all going to die anyway, so really that isn't a problem. Also, we have a list of Middle East Dictators We Don't Like, and Assad is the last one on that list, so really the sensible centrist thing to do is to get rid of him at any cost. Plus we have the added benefit now of a Serious Confrontation with Putin! Just think how that could be used to bloat the military budget!

Yes indeed this is yet another reason why I am a sensible centrist for Clinton.