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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:56 AM May 2016

Many Americans Renounce Citizenship, Even Before President Trump

It seems crazy to call it the ‘New Normal’, but once again, record numbers of Americans are renouncing citizenship. Every three months, the Treasury Department publicly names individuals who renounced. It is surely more about FATCA and family than politics. Still, numbers are flying, with one poll saying that 1 in 4 Americans would consider leaving if Trump is elected. Others claim they will leave if Hillary is elected.

In reality, of course, most who bristle about politics are not serious. And for those who are, they surely mean a temporary move, not a final exit. In contrast, giving up citizenship is a big deal. Yet the number of published expatriates for the first three months of 2016 was a record 1,158. In 2015, there were approximately 4,300 expatriations. Comparing present to past suggests that Americans renouncing citizenship have risen 560% from their Bush administration high. There are now 18 times as many renouncers as in 2008.

Of course, these numbers seem tiny compared to the influx of immigrants. Yet expatriations have historically been much lower, making the uptick worrisome. Moreover, the published list is incomplete, with many not counted. Surprisingly, no one seems to know exactly how big the real number is, even though the IRS and FBI both track Americans who renounce. There is no single explanation, though some renounce because of global tax reporting and FATCA. One law adding to the mix is the IRS power to revoke passports.

The reasons for renouncing can be family, tax and legal complications. Dual citizenship isn’t always possible, as this infographic from MoveHub shows. And leaving can be expensive. Some countries have no fee, but America charges $2,350 to hand in your passport. That is more than twenty times the average of other high-income countries. The U.S. government has collected about $12.6 million in fees since the fall of 2014, after hiking its fee to renounce citizenship by 422%. Some renouncers write why they gave up their U.S. citizenship.

America’s global income tax compliance and disclosure laws can be a burden, especially for U.S. persons living abroad. Like pariahs, they may be shunned because of their American status by banks abroad. Foreign banks are sufficiently worried about keeping the IRS happy that many simply do not want American account holders. Americans living and working in foreign countries must generally report and pay tax where they live. But they must also continue to file taxes in the U.S., where reporting is based on their worldwide income.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/05/06/many-americans-renounce-citizenship-even-before-president-trump/#57f74f752b66

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Many Americans Renounce Citizenship, Even Before President Trump (Original Post) Purveyor May 2016 OP
Not a good idea---the Repubs love it. virgogal May 2016 #1
Were I younger, I certainly would not choose to raise a family here. The downward spiral is Purveyor May 2016 #2
I have read that the government makes it difficult to renounce. bemildred May 2016 #3
Being ex-pat doesn't automatically equal giving up citizenship whathehell May 2016 #4
There are about 325 million Americans struggle4progress May 2016 #5
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
2. Were I younger, I certainly would not choose to raise a family here. The downward spiral is
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

accelerating at breakneck speed.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. I have read that the government makes it difficult to renounce.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

On ex-pat blogs there is lots of comment about that. And often it's about money, they don't want to file US tax returns when they don't live here.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
4. Being ex-pat doesn't automatically equal giving up citizenship
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

Many people leave their home countries but retain their citizenship.

struggle4progress

(118,309 posts)
5. There are about 325 million Americans
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

So the current renunciation rate is about 0.001% of population annually

There are about 4 million births here annually

So the current renunciation rate is about 0.1% of the birthrate

It's not entirely clear from the Forbes article who's leaving or why, but the information in the article suggests the folk are those who don't want to pay recent IRS penalties for hiding money abroad. The renunciation rate fell around 2011/2 and then climbed steeply above historic levels in the next few years: this suggests people were waiting for the 2012 election outcomes before deciding to say goodbye

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