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Imagine...
Imagine I mean really imagine that youre watching CNN on June 7th and Hillary has just lost California, New Jersey, New Mexico, Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota. This comes on the heels of losses in Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Oregon. Clinton hasnt won a state since April; shes behind Donald Trump in national polling; shes tied with or behind Donald Trump in all of the battleground states; shes lost the pledged-delegate battle to Bernie Sanders 53 percent to 47 percent since March 1st; shes lost 19 of the final 25 state primaries and caucuses; her unfavorables are the highest of any Democrat the Party has considered running since World War II; shes losing independent voters to Donald Trump; shes still under investigation by the FBI, and an international criminal is claiming (credibly) that he successfully hacked her basement server and stole classified and top-secret data; 40 percent of Sanders supporters are saying they wont vote for her; and shes come to look exactly like two other Democratic losers unlikable policy wonks Al Gore and John Kerry rather than the movement candidate Bernie Sanders is and Barack Obama was.
The Clinton camp is betting that Hillary loses zero super-delegates in this situation because well, just because.
The Sanders camp is betting that the Democratic Party cares more about winning in November than gamely running a terrible dynasty candidate against a beatable Republican foe.
In the hypothetical John King has imagined, that bet doesnt seem so unreasonable.
Every non-partisan in the national media whos actually looked at the above scenario has concluded that super-delegates would switch to Sanders in the situation described here the only question is how many. And if youve actually imagined the scenario described above if you actually imagined the rank panic that would be running through the Democratic Party should Hillary lose the largest state in the country to Bernie Sanders at a time when all the hard-data and environmental indicators are suggesting shes a possible loser in the fall youre thinking, as I am, that the answer to the question, How many supers would jump ship in that scenario? is the same answer I got from John King when I asked him this question directly after the Indiana primary: Lots.
To get to that point, Sanders has to win Indiana which hes already done. And he has to win West Virginia, which he now has. Now hes looking ahead to Kentucky and Oregon next week, and Oregon looks like a safe win while Kentucky an eminently possible one. Should he sweep Clinton for the third Tuesday in a row, hell be looking forward to just one final test: June 7th. Sanders is a plausible winner on that date in California, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and New Mexico; his longest odds are in New Jersey, a state where he nevertheless polled within single digits of Clinton in the second-to-last poll taken in the state (the most recent poll is far less favorable, but also, given the political make-up of the state and the fact that Trumps lack of competitors on the GOP side will drive up interest and turnout on the Democratic side, less plausible). More importantly, perhaps, Kings scenario doesnt even require that Sanders win New Jersey merely that he take nine of the final ten contests, and therefore a still-staggering 18 of the last 25. This isnt just doable its entirely possible, given the momentum, demographics, and polling in the upcoming states.
The Clinton camp is betting that Hillary loses zero super-delegates in this situation because well, just because.
The Sanders camp is betting that the Democratic Party cares more about winning in November than gamely running a terrible dynasty candidate against a beatable Republican foe.
In the hypothetical John King has imagined, that bet doesnt seem so unreasonable.
Every non-partisan in the national media whos actually looked at the above scenario has concluded that super-delegates would switch to Sanders in the situation described here the only question is how many. And if youve actually imagined the scenario described above if you actually imagined the rank panic that would be running through the Democratic Party should Hillary lose the largest state in the country to Bernie Sanders at a time when all the hard-data and environmental indicators are suggesting shes a possible loser in the fall youre thinking, as I am, that the answer to the question, How many supers would jump ship in that scenario? is the same answer I got from John King when I asked him this question directly after the Indiana primary: Lots.
To get to that point, Sanders has to win Indiana which hes already done. And he has to win West Virginia, which he now has. Now hes looking ahead to Kentucky and Oregon next week, and Oregon looks like a safe win while Kentucky an eminently possible one. Should he sweep Clinton for the third Tuesday in a row, hell be looking forward to just one final test: June 7th. Sanders is a plausible winner on that date in California, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and New Mexico; his longest odds are in New Jersey, a state where he nevertheless polled within single digits of Clinton in the second-to-last poll taken in the state (the most recent poll is far less favorable, but also, given the political make-up of the state and the fact that Trumps lack of competitors on the GOP side will drive up interest and turnout on the Democratic side, less plausible). More importantly, perhaps, Kings scenario doesnt even require that Sanders win New Jersey merely that he take nine of the final ten contests, and therefore a still-staggering 18 of the last 25. This isnt just doable its entirely possible, given the momentum, demographics, and polling in the upcoming states.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/11/bernie-sanders-could-still-win-democratic-nomination-no-seriously
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Imagine... (Original Post)
Lodestar
May 2016
OP
And Hillary for the most part has only won states that she would lose in the general. n/t
A Simple Game
May 2016
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silvershadow
(10,336 posts)1. K&R. nt
dubyadiprecession
(5,716 posts)2. Wow! you really have too much time on your hands...
Go bowling, try hiking, do something. Just get out of your house.
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A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)4. And Hillary for the most part has only won states that she would lose in the general. n/t