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niyad

(113,336 posts)
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:34 PM Jul 2016

Shooting a man who was lying down with his hands up?

Shooting a man who was lying down with his hands up?



Perry: North Miami case points to widespread problem -- people with disabilities may not comply with police instructions
A person with disabilities may not be able to comply with police officers, putting them at risk, he says.

"David M. Perry is an associate professor of history at Dominican University in Illinois. He writes regularly at his blog: How Did We Get Into This Mess? Follow him on Twitter. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his."

(CNN)Charles Kinsey lay on his back in a North Miami street, his hands up in the air. He was talking to his client, an autistic man named Rinaldo, as Rinaldo sat cross-legged next to him, holding a toy fire truck in his hands. Police, armed with assault rifles, were closing in. Kinsey later told reporters, "I was really more worried about him than myself. I was thinking as long as I have my hands up ... they're not going to shoot me." Then they shot him.

Kinsey, thankfully, is going to be OK. He's going to be able to testify, there's both video and audio, and I suspect this will be the rare case in which an officer is held legally and professionally accountable for what seems to be an unjust shooting. But while the specifics of this case are unusual, the general pattern is not. Compliance-based policing -- when police treat noncompliance with their instructions, on its own, as a threat -- puts everyone at some risk.

Here's what we know about the incident. A 911 call summoned the officer to the scene of a man armed with a gun contemplating suicide. We don't know anything more about the call at this time, but none of what it purported was accurate. Rinaldo (his last name hasn't been reported) was in the street near his group home holding a toy firetruck, and was not, as far as we know, in any sort of distress. But he was also apparently not responding to shouted instructions from the police, and that's not unusual for people with intellectual disabilities.

This was a highly dangerous situation for Rinaldo. According to my research, published most recently in a study for the Ruderman Foundation, a third to a half of all people shot by police have some form of disability. When it comes to high-profile killings, the number is closer to 80%.
Racism and ableism, which is individual and systemic discrimination against people based on their disability, intersect to make encounters like the one that took place Monday in North Miami very dangerous. Racial bias leads officers to have more contacts with people of color and to treat those contacts as more likely to be hostile. Ableism leads officers to approach people with disabilities as erratic and dangerous. It also leads them to perceive noncompliant behavior as a sign of threat, rather than a sign of disability.

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/opinions/shooting-man-lying-down-opinion-david-perry/

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packman

(16,296 posts)
1. There's a lot going on in this case
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jul 2016

They just suspended the police commander without pay (that is unusal in itself) for giving misleading info about the incident.

"A North Miami, Florida, police officer who shot an unarmed black mental health therapist was identified Friday as a SWAT team member, and a police commander accused of fabricating information about the shooting was suspended. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-suspended-charles-kinsey-shooting_us_5792926ee4b01180b52f1098?section=

Also, the SWAT guy who said he was shooting at the man playing with the toy truck , but hit the leg of the caretaker - what is his skill level with a rifle?

The whole thing stinks.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. The PD is putting out the story...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jul 2016

oops, they meant to shoot the young autistic kid with the firetruck and missed - hitting the man in "hands up, don't shoot" posture.

But then after "accidentally" shooting him, they handcuffed and searched him, and eventually called for paramedics?

Obviously - we know - all lives do not matter.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
5. The I shot the wrong guy story so stupid
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jul 2016

I wonder if they said that out loud to themselves before blurting it out to see how stupid that sounds.
If they were really trying to save the therapists life, why didn't they tell him to move away from the autistic guy before they shot?

niyad

(113,336 posts)
7. and if he was trying to save the therapist, why did he wait TWENTY MINUTES to call the
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jul 2016

paramedics after he shot him?

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
6. This really sounds like a case of shoot first and ask questions later.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jul 2016

The therapist was complying with police and had informed them that the autistic man had a toy and there was no need to draw guns. Instead, this yahoo fires anyway, says he was aiming for the autistic man holding a toy and hitting the therapist with his hands in the air.

He should definitely face charges.

malthaussen

(17,202 posts)
9. The "I shot the wrong guy" story is doubly stupid.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jul 2016

It's stupid because an officer ought to have better aim than that (and he put three bullets in the victim, IIRC), and it's stupid because even stipulating the absurd first excuse, he had no friggin' business shooting an autistic, unarmed citizen in the first place. Of course, it beggars credulity to stipulate the first excuse, even per arguendo, given that the officers took no steps to secure the victim's life after the soi-disant "error," and even handcuffed him and let him bleed in the street.

If the officer was in fear of his life, then he really needs to find a nice, quiet, unthreatening job that doesn't involve him shooting anybody.

-- Mal

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
10. "He's loading his weapon !"
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jul 2016

I saw a video on the news, along with the voices of the cops.
At one point, as the autistic man held the toy truck closer to his face to look at it,
one officer yells out:
"He's loading his weapon !"

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