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struggle4progress

(118,290 posts)
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 05:38 PM Sep 2016

Gary Johnson's Unfair, Expensive National Sales Tax

SEP 2, 2016 9:00 AM EDT
By Ramesh Ponnuru

Gary Johnson, a former governor of New Mexico, is running for president as the Libertarian Party’s nominee to draw attention to his ideas. One of those ideas is a 28 percent national sales tax to replace the federal income, payroll and corporate taxes. He would repeal the 16th Amendment, which authorized the income tax, to make his plan stick ...

... the tax rate is higher than it appears to be. Let’s say Johnson’s tax ideas prevailed, and a Kindle sold for $139 -- with $100 going to Amazon and $39 to the new federal sales tax. Advocates of a national sales tax would say that’s a 28 percent tax rate, because 39 is 28 percent of 139. That method makes for a clean comparison to the income-tax rates that the sales tax would replace. (Income tax rates are “tax inclusive,” too, if you stop and think about it.) But state sales tax rates aren’t calculated that way, and most people will get the wrong idea when they hear Johnson say he’s for a 28 percent tax, and when reporters repeat it ...

... the underground economy would almost certainly grow much larger as people try to avoid the new sales tax. European countries try to minimize this problem by relying on the value-added tax, levied at each stage of production, rather than using retail sales taxes. (The VAT has other administrative advantages.) But even those countries have lower rates than Johnson is considering. The average VAT rate in the European Union is 22 percent. We should expect much more tax evasion under Johnson’s 39 percent tax ...


https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-09-02/gary-johnson-s-unfair-expensive-national-sales-tax

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Gary Johnson's Unfair, Expensive National Sales Tax (Original Post) struggle4progress Sep 2016 OP
Oh, hell, you bet the black market would grow! Warpy Sep 2016 #1
28 percent of 100 is 28. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #2
A Natl tax is bad for middle class jehop61 Sep 2016 #3
Some of the debate depends on what's taxed. Igel Sep 2016 #4

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
1. Oh, hell, you bet the black market would grow!
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 06:17 PM
Sep 2016

Most people would be out there looking for stuff "that fell off a truck" and most manufacturers, facing a big crash in legitimate sales, would send out trucks with faulty doors.

Libertarians are generally OK on social issues, but they're fucking dreamers when it comes to economic issues, all in the name of pleasing the thoroughly dead and debunked Ayn Rand and the rich old men she rode in on.

Republicans who despise Trump and Clinton alike would probably do better to vote for Johnson, though. He knew how much bullshit he could get away with when he was governor. He might realize the same if he ever got in as president---still the longest of long shots.

Trump is one of the worst dangers this country has ever faced. Any vote going away from Trump is a good vote.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
2. 28 percent of 100 is 28.
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 06:19 PM
Sep 2016

So if the price of the Kindle (example given) is $100, a 28% sales tax would only add on $28. To claim that a sales tax of $38 is somehow only 28% shows a profound ignorance of how percentages actually work.

Of course, a high national sales tax, which will no doubt simply be on top of already existing state and local taxes, is unconscionable.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
3. A Natl tax is bad for middle class
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 06:57 PM
Sep 2016

and the poor Who spend a greater proportion of funds for basic necessities. The rich don't . Remember Pres. Forbes?

Igel

(35,317 posts)
4. Some of the debate depends on what's taxed.
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 10:39 AM
Sep 2016

Currently nobody where I live pays 8.25% on all their purchases in stores. Many things aren't included in the sales tax and, at least in my state, there are sales tax holidays. A few tax-free days for school-related purchases in the fall, a tax-free weekend for energy-efficient appliances in the spring. These aren't to help people, they're to advance state goals. (Let's be clear on this--when talking with the public to garner votes politicians say one thing, but when they cite policy papers and such they talk about public interest and, well, policy, which always pivots on some state interest. Sometimes they overlap--few states want poorly prepared students in the classroom; sometimes they don't; but they're distinct logical categories.)

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