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Sam1

(498 posts)
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 07:59 AM Oct 2016

Social Security Is NOT a Main Driver of the Country's Long-term Budget Problem!



The NYT ran a short AP piece on Social Security and "why it matters." The piece wrongly told readers that Social Security is "a main driver of the government's long-term budget problems." This is not true. Under the law, Social Security can only spend money that is in its trust fund. If the trust fund is depleted then full benefits cannot be paid. The law would have to be changed to allow Social Security to spend money other than the funds designated for the program and in that way contribute to the deficit.



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Social Security Is NOT a Main Driver of the Country's Long-term Budget Problem! (Original Post) Sam1 Oct 2016 OP
They mean that the peasants should pay more taxes. raging moderate Oct 2016 #1
+100 whathehell Oct 2016 #3
The reason Social Security is a "budget" issue is because the trust fund contains US Governemnt PoliticAverse Oct 2016 #2
I don't think main driver exboyfil Oct 2016 #4
Very good points and essentially the truth of the situation JayhawkSD Oct 2016 #5
It is the only major program that has paid for itself for decades plus built up a surplus wishstar Oct 2016 #6
k&r to the greatest page. nt bananas Oct 2016 #7

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
1. They mean that the peasants should pay more taxes.
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:14 AM
Oct 2016

Our congressmen have been "borrowing" from the Social Security trust fund until they are now addicted to that money. If only those annoying peasants would stop drawing from the fund! What they would like to do is to direct the payroll tax money directly to the general fund so they could use it to consolidate their feudal power.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. The reason Social Security is a "budget" issue is because the trust fund contains US Governemnt
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:21 AM
Oct 2016

issued securities and to redeem the securities the government has to come up with money
which comes out of the general budget.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
4. I don't think main driver
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 08:36 AM
Oct 2016

Last edited Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:28 AM - Edit history (2)

but at the end of Hillary Clinton's first term, the Trust Fund with its Treasuries will start to be drawn down. In approximate terms this will be $200B/yr. for 15 years. After the 15 years then Social Security will have depleted all of its Trust Fund and then start paying around 70% of its current benefits.

This happens if nothing in the law is changed.


The $200B/yr. will have to come from additional borrowing by the Treasury, reductions in current federal programs, or additional taxes.

The current federal budget is about $4T/yr. The federal debt is about $20T. The current federal deficit is about $500B. Our current GDP is $17T. We have one of the highest debt to GDP ratios of a large liberal democracy. Our GDP growth rate is at 1.4% but has been around 2% during Obama's presidency (about 2% lower than Clinton's presidency).

Our current 10 yr. Treasury rate is 2%. Historically this is much higher (for example during Clinton's presidency it was 6-7%. In our current budget deficit we borrow about $220B to cover interest on the debt. So if it costs more to borrow that amount will also increase (lets say to $600B). That is also money that must be borrowed, made up in cuts, or additional taxes.

A fourth option to address the federal debt would be allowing inflation to take off (monetizing the debt). This would hammer everyone.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
5. Very good points and essentially the truth of the situation
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 11:19 AM
Oct 2016

What could be easily missed in your assessment is that when Social Security starts drawing down the trust fund it will be demanding repayment of the money that the government has borrowed from the SSA trust fund. Forget higher taxes or cutting other programs, Congress does not have the courage to do that, and the additional borrowing from other sources by the government will be at higher interest rates than are currently being paid on the debt to the SSA. The result will be increased interest payments on debt by the government.

"In our current budget deficit we borrow about $220B."

Budgets don't mean much if you don't stick to them. From 9/1/2015 until 9/1/2016 our national debt increased by $1.423 trillion. That is the actual current deficit, and it matches the deficit level during the great recession. Then it was caused primarily by tax shortfall, but now we are told that the economy has recovered sufficiently that it is not caused by tax shortfall.

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
6. It is the only major program that has paid for itself for decades plus built up a surplus
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 06:34 PM
Oct 2016

All the other government programs are a drain on the budget and not bringing in revenue the way Social Security has for decades.

Just too bad politicians have been unwilling to raise the cap that would have extended the program's solvency

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