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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:17 AM Oct 2016

How Ayn Rand contributed to US becoming a greedy, individualistic nation.

"Ayn Rand (1905-1982) helped make the United States into one of the most uncaring nations in the industrialized world, a neo-Dickensian society where healthcare is only for those who can afford it, and where young people are coerced into huge student-loan debt that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy."

"Ayn Rand’s books such as The Virtue of Selfishness and her philosophy that celebrates self-interest and disdains altruism may well be, as (Gore) Vidal assessed, “nearly perfect in its immorality.” But is Vidal right about evil? Charles Manson, who himself did not kill anyone, is the personification of evil for many of us because of his psychological success at exploiting the vulnerabilities of young people and seducing them to murder. What should we call Ayn Rand’s psychological ability to exploit the vulnerabilities of millions of young people so as to influence them not to care about anyone besides themselves?"

Rand said, “Capitalism and altruism are incompatible….The choice is clear-cut: either a new morality of rational self-interest, with its consequences of freedom, justice, progress and man’s happiness on earth—or the primordial morality of altruism, with its consequences of slavery, brute force, stagnant terror and sacrificial furnaces.” For many young people, hearing that it is “moral” to care only about oneself can be intoxicating, and some get addicted to this idea for life.

Rand offered a narcotic for confused young people: complete certainty and a relief from their anxiety. Rand believed that an “objective reality” existed, and she knew exactly what that objective reality was. It included skyscrapers, industries, railroads, and ideas—at least her ideas. Rand’s objective reality did not include anxiety or sadness.

A demagogue, in addition to hypnotic glibness, must also be intellectually inconsistent, sometimes boldly so. This eliminates challenges to authority by weeding out clear-thinking young people from the flock.

Ayn Rand removed Americans’ guilt for being selfish and uncaring about anyone except themselves. Not only did Rand make it “moral” for the wealthy not to pay their fair share of taxes, she “liberated” millions of other Americans from caring about the suffering of others, even the suffering of their own children.

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/12/clinical-psychologist-explains-how-ayn-rand-helped-turn-the-us-into-a-selfish-and-greedy-nation/

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How Ayn Rand contributed to US becoming a greedy, individualistic nation. (Original Post) ellenrr Oct 2016 OP
The death (or at least hibernation) of the two party system pipoman Oct 2016 #1
I got over Ayn Rand murielm99 Oct 2016 #2
And people like Paul Ryan, Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Gary Johnson. brush Oct 2016 #3
7 Ways Paul Ryan Revealed His Love for Ayn Rand Martin Eden Oct 2016 #8
What a loathsome piece of crap! smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #22
Ryan also doesn't deserve his reputation as a serious budget numbers guru Martin Eden Oct 2016 #23
And he's considered the "intellectual" of the GOP. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #24
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #6
4 books.... rtracey Oct 2016 #12
Third rate philosopher; fourth rate science fiction writer Cary Oct 2016 #4
There is no way in which 'the law of the jungle' can be fashioned Joe Chi Minh Oct 2016 #14
Total nonsense. Cary Oct 2016 #15
I don't think she convinced anyone by herself... she was just a useful tool, a way to justify Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #5
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: Martin Eden Oct 2016 #7
Ayn Rand... Saviolo Oct 2016 #9
I think she may be one author Trump has actually read world wide wally Oct 2016 #10
I read one Ayn Rand book in high school. Boring and badly written. Illogical and demigoddess Oct 2016 #11
I wonder how many modern Randroids (like Eddie Munster) know Wolf Frankula Oct 2016 #13
Ayn Rand was a legend in her own mind DAngelo136 Oct 2016 #16
Also, a legend in her own lunch-time. Joe Chi Minh Oct 2016 #18
Well, reading now that her books were self-published, I can see I have Joe Chi Minh Oct 2016 #19
She also wrote plays Wolf Frankula Oct 2016 #20
I still think the best observation on Rand rdmtimp Oct 2016 #17
Good article. inanna Oct 2016 #21
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
1. The death (or at least hibernation) of the two party system
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:30 AM
Oct 2016

has resulted in most of the things being attributed to this early Ann Coulter.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
2. I got over Ayn Rand
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:07 AM
Oct 2016

by the time I was seventeen. Most people with an ounce of sense do the same thing. Her philosophy appeals only to self involved teenagers.

brush

(53,782 posts)
3. And people like Paul Ryan, Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Gary Johnson.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:41 AM
Oct 2016

Arrested development?

No doubt about it if you listen to Johnson try to recalled the name of a world leader he admires.

Martin Eden

(12,869 posts)
8. 7 Ways Paul Ryan Revealed His Love for Ayn Rand
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:46 AM
Oct 2016
Link

3. Listed Rand’s magnum opus, Atlas Shrugged, as one of the three books he most frequently rereads.

4. Told The Weekly Standard, “I give out ‘Atlas Shrugged’ as Christmas presents, and I make all my interns read it.”

5. Repeatedly divided American society into “makers” and “takers.”

6. Declared that Rand’s thinking is “sorely needed right now” because we are “living in an Ayn Rand novel” and that “Ayn Rand, more than anyone else, did a fantastic job of explaining the morality of capitalism, the morality of individualism, and this, to me, is what is [sic] matters most.”

Martin Eden

(12,869 posts)
23. Ryan also doesn't deserve his reputation as a serious budget numbers guru
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 04:00 PM
Oct 2016

Like all Repukes, his projections are based on the theory of "trickle down" magically creating jobs and growth thru tax cuts.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
24. And he's considered the "intellectual" of the GOP.
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 06:57 PM
Oct 2016

That should tell you something about the intelligence of the average republican.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
6. There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life:
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:00 AM
Oct 2016

The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

http://www.thomhartmann.com/users/halrager/blog/2011/04/ayn-rand-other-course-involves-orcs

Cary

(11,746 posts)
4. Third rate philosopher; fourth rate science fiction writer
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:58 AM
Oct 2016

Rational selfishness is a perversion of enlightened self interest.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
14. There is no way in which 'the law of the jungle' can be fashioned
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:38 PM
Oct 2016

into or construed as a philosophy, is there ? And 'rational selfishness' is an oxymoron. Only in the US could a child who is not a classic psychopath, be taken in by such nonsense, imo.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
5. I don't think she convinced anyone by herself... she was just a useful tool, a way to justify
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:59 AM
Oct 2016

greed by the capitalist class.

Martin Eden

(12,869 posts)
7. There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life:
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:43 AM
Oct 2016
The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

-- John Rogers

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
9. Ayn Rand...
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:52 AM
Oct 2016

... and her followers have done more to damage rational political discourse in the west than just about anyone in the last 100 years. And her acolytes ended up in high positions in finance and government, like Alan Greenspan.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
11. I read one Ayn Rand book in high school. Boring and badly written. Illogical and
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 12:50 PM
Oct 2016

repetitive. practically a baby's book. Only for the brainless.

Wolf Frankula

(3,601 posts)
13. I wonder how many modern Randroids (like Eddie Munster) know
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:06 PM
Oct 2016

Ayn Rand was an outspoken atheist who despised religion and called Jesus a 'scabrous bum.'

Ayn Rand called abortion "a moral right of women".

Ayn Rand called racism "the worst form of collectivism.'" (Collectivism means 'bad' in Randish.)

Rand opposed the Vietnam war and detested the draft.

Rand had nothing but contempt for Ronald Reagan.

I am not a Randroid. She couldn't write worth a damn. Her novels are tracts, not novels. I saw the movie version of 'Fountainhead'. Even Gary Cooper and Patricia Neal couldn't make it worth watching.

Wolf

DAngelo136

(265 posts)
16. Ayn Rand was a legend in her own mind
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 09:14 PM
Oct 2016

Mind you, her books were self published, her screenplay for "The Fountainhead" was incomprehensible; Gary Cooper (himself a known Republican Conservative) who performed the long winded speech of Howard Roarke couldn't understand what the character was talking about. The movies based on her other book "Atlas Shrugged" have been flops.

And if you want a more admirable individualist ( if THAT is your thing), then you would go to Rose Wilder Lane, daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder (author of the "Little House on The Prairie" book series) she makes Rand look like a poseur ( and she was, let's face it) by comparison.
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Wilder_Lane]

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
19. Well, reading now that her books were self-published, I can see I have
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:43 AM
Oct 2016

misjudged and disparaged even the sanity of the Americans' 'soft underbelly' of Mammon-worshippers. No 'monied class' of any country could be so stupid as take her ramblings as anything but the deranged burblings of a psychopath, devoid of the least vestige of conscience and self-awareness. The infantile folly of extreme malice, writ large ; a narcissist, but utterly devoid of the normal charisma so frequently found in them.

And as for her literary 'oeuvres', as that character put it long ago : 'Throw the book in the garbage asap. She makes Micky Spillane seem like a literary giant.' Well he didn't actually say that, but that was the gist - and he certainly compared her adversely to that great 'auteur' and giant of 'belles letters'. And there's no doubt that the intrepid Mike Hammer would have made mince-meat out of that lad she created from her diseased imagination.

Unfortunately, he has provided the ethic(!) for the neoliberal economics that, today, threatens to bring down the whole global economy in a manner so dire as to be unparalleled in all the long, sorry history of mankind's dumbest depravity.

Its 'movers and shakers' will not change. The devil trembles at the thought of God (and implicitly, his wrath, as per James Epistle), but he doesn't back down, he cannot be corrected, cannot be reformed, but he and his mob are going down - and how.

Wolf Frankula

(3,601 posts)
20. She also wrote plays
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 06:15 PM
Oct 2016

All of them bad. George Jean Nathan said of them, "I seldom fall asleep at the theater, but I always snooze off during Rand's plays"

Wolf

rdmtimp

(1,590 posts)
17. I still think the best observation on Rand
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:11 AM
Oct 2016

was by the late Stephen Bach, in his book Final Cut, about the making of Heaven's Gate.

Evidently, before deciding on Heaven's Gate, Michael Cimino was pitching a remake of The Fountainhead. About the book, Bach (then an executive at United Artists) wrote "I hadn't read The Fountainhead since adolescence, which may be the best time to read it".

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