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teach1st

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Fri Oct 21, 2016, 03:33 PM Oct 2016

New Yorker: The art of the rout: what a Trump loss does to the G.O.P

The art of the rout: What a Trump loss does to the G.O.P
New Yorker Magazine, Evan Osnos, 10/21/16

Donald Trump knows polls. He knows how to locate polls the moment they are posted, how to condense polls to tweetable brevity, and how to unveil polls to a crowd for maximum effect. So there has been a special insult in those moments, in the final weeks of this election, when even the polls seem intent on humiliating him. More than twenty-four national surveys released in October revealed “a split between polls that are good for Hillary Clinton and polls that are fantastic for her,” in the words of Andrew Prokop, of Vox. Barely three weeks to Election Day, short of a radical change that would salvage his fortunes, Trump is careening toward his greatest embarrassment in a life of spectacular pratfalls. (Clintonworld, meanwhile, has been consumed by an embarrassment of options—namely, whether she should spend her money to run up the score or to help other candidates down-ballot.)

Losing versus losing huge is more than a difference of degree: each experience has a very different effect on the loser. What would a massive Trump loss leave behind? To some Republicans, the prospect of a truly crushing defeat is strangely attractive: it could be a disinfectant, a bug bomb, an unambiguous verdict against the side of the Party that has catered to an aging, shrinking demographic, a chance to close, or at least bridge, the rift between Tea Party conservatives and the Party establishment—something akin to the rout of the conservative Senator Barry Goldwater, of Arizona, in 1964. Nominated over the objections of moderates, Goldwater, who voted against the Civil Rights Act, lost forty-four states to Lyndon Johnson, who took sixty-one per cent of the popular vote, the highest in Presidential-election history. Four years later, after confronting the evidence that Goldwater’s vision was too far to the right of the country, the Party surmounted its divisions and selected Richard Nixon, an establishment creature who went on to win in 1968 and 1972 (and, two years after that, to resign in disgrace). As my colleague Jeffrey Frank noted this week, Goldwater left behind a Republican establishment that was more or less intact. It had discernible leaders; the Party after Trump may not be so fortunate.


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New Yorker: The art of the rout: what a Trump loss does to the G.O.P (Original Post) teach1st Oct 2016 OP
They made deals with a couple of devils and now the devils have taken over Warpy Oct 2016 #1
Well said teach1st Oct 2016 #2
Smoke-filled rooms may not even help jmowreader Oct 2016 #3
Actually, that's how they got Romney Warpy Oct 2016 #5
I predict some will try to survive by switching parties ThoughtCriminal Oct 2016 #4

Warpy

(111,269 posts)
1. They made deals with a couple of devils and now the devils have taken over
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 03:40 PM
Oct 2016

and the result is the Raging Cheeto, Trump. Either they abandon the primary system and go back to the dirty deals in smoke filled hotel rooms, bypassing the devils, or they figure out a way to splinter the devils off, losing power for an indeterminate time.

They could have survived the bigots. Bringing in the religious crazies, incapable of compromise even with their own party, is what has destroyed them while bringing the government to a halt.

They should have listened to Goldwater about the religious wackadoodles.

teach1st

(5,935 posts)
2. Well said
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 03:46 PM
Oct 2016

The Republicans have some intelligent, younger members who won't play the Trump or radical religious angle, who are truer to the core values of Republicans (smaller government, less regulation) than most of the party's current leaders. I don't know if they have enough juice yet to swing the party back to sanity, but a huge Republican ego loss might help them.

Warpy

(111,269 posts)
5. Actually, that's how they got Romney
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 04:23 PM
Oct 2016

who was shoved into place over the objections of the religious nuts and teabagger scum because he was considered electable, while Santorum was not.

Anything they do to bypass or alienate the devils will result in a loss of power for a number of years. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

The kingmakers in both the Whigs and the Federalists before them simply laid low until there was a new party they could control. If it happens that way again, don't expect the new party to have learned the lessons of the old. They'll still find devils to make deals with eventually and the cycle will begin again.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
4. I predict some will try to survive by switching parties
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 04:11 PM
Oct 2016

Which may accelerate the decline of the GOP, but might also move the Democratic Party farther right.

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