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elleng

(131,143 posts)
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 01:56 PM Mar 2012

Where the Jobs Are, the Training May Not Be.

As state funding has dwindled, public colleges have raised tuition and are now resorting to even more desperate measures — cutting training for jobs the economy needs most.

Technical, engineering and health care expertise are among the few skills in huge demand even in today’s lackluster job market. They are also, unfortunately, some of the most expensive subjects to teach. As a result, state colleges in Nebraska, Nevada, South Dakota, Colorado, Michigan, Florida and Texas have eliminated entire engineering and computer science departments.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/02/business/dealbook/state-cutbacks-curb-training-in-jobs-critical-to-economy.html?hp

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Where the Jobs Are, the Training May Not Be. (Original Post) elleng Mar 2012 OP
My school is talking about it. Those programs aren't within the school's mission... saras Mar 2012 #1
Same here, a while back. Igel Mar 2012 #3
Approximately twenty years ago it was a huge problem midnight Mar 2012 #2
Now I think I know . . . Brigid Mar 2012 #4
 

saras

(6,670 posts)
1. My school is talking about it. Those programs aren't within the school's mission...
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:19 PM
Mar 2012

...which is liberal arts. They are profitable sidelines, which unfortunately don't share their profits with the rest of the school (with the exception of computer science departments getting in bed with Microsoft, which usually gets massive amounts of hardware for the school). They're needed, they're working programs, and the technical college should be doing them instead of the university.

The real problem is that the upper class doesn't need a middle class that's smart anymore - most of the management is as automated as the factories are, except for the monkey posturing, which has so far not been amenable to computer modeling. So the liberal arts schools - the ones that produce educated citizens, workers, volunteers, and organizers - are only necessary to a progressive America, and THAT is what is getting defunded in the big picture. I think that, in general, universities are right to shed these programs over butchering their core curriculum.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
3. Same here, a while back.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 08:48 PM
Mar 2012

They actually ditched some programs.

The MBAs, historians, poli-sci folk, sociologists, etc., all looked at the people that really didn't want to be in the position of managing others, counting beans, and making policy and decided that they were basically inferior.

The true humans want to be liberal arts majors--English, various studies, sociology. It's all about people and controlling and manipulating them directly or through money. The others are, in any event, unjust in bringing in outside money and expecting to not share it equally. Then there's the entire wrong ethnic/sex skew to the fields.

Some they ditched. Others they reworked. So instead of social workers they'd focus on social policy; instead of health care professionals they'd produce health care policy professionals. The way to really help people and feel good about yourself is to make policy and order others to help people.

Some bean counter finally considered that if they ditched tech degree programs, however, they'd be denying a lot of money to the important projects like post-modern approaches to transgender Caribbean literature or documenting the influence of indigenous Papuan folkways on mid-19th century American frontier folksong. So instead they just limited enrollment. You may need doctors to treat your gout and engineers to pay academic taxes to English, but you don't need all that many of the dweebs.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
2. Approximately twenty years ago it was a huge problem
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 07:36 PM
Mar 2012

finding masters prepared nurses... and so the story went that not enough nurses were being prepared for the future, and the importation of nurses jobs became the biggest scams of this mindset/Nafta. Why should the govt. pay for these highly needed skills when we have a loophole that can import them.... Time for the RACE TO THE TOP to stop destroying our education in this county. We need to wake up and smell the coffee... The one percent will not allow middle class workers to have these jobs anymore... They will all be outsource... In the 90's the computer jobs all went to india....But they brought the nurses here... They have all the kinks worked out...It called privitization. They have manufactured chaos and lead us to believe that bringing in people who will work for cheaper wages is the only way... The last step for the 1 percent. And we have payed for it all...

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
4. Now I think I know . . .
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 09:49 PM
Mar 2012

Why all of the health care majors (RN, LPN, medical assistant, RT, etc.) Are limited enrollment: There is only so much money allocated. You already have to have at least a B average to even apply; and I would think that would be enough to weed out those who cannot handle the academics of these majors, if that were the only issue. But now I think budget issues must also play a role. In Health Information Technology, the program I hope to enter, only 15 are admitted per year. There is an informational meeting on the 15th, and that ought to be interesting. It could well be that I will have to switch majors. That's too bad, since it's an in-demand field. I already know I can handle the academics, having done plenty of college work before, but I have visions of walking into that meeting and finding 200 people there. Tough to beat those odds.

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