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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:48 AM May 2017

Donald Trump's Mostly False claim that James Clapper said no collusion found in Russia probe

Politifact documenting what anyone with a scintilla of objectivity knows: Donald Trump’s Mostly False claim that James Clapper said no collusion found in Russia probe

President Donald Trump claimed that former U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has definitively said the Trump campaign did not collude in Moscow’s interference with the 2016 election.

Trump used his take on Clapper’s remarks as proof positive the FBI’s ongoing Russia probe is a witch hunt.

"When James Clapper himself, and virtually everyone else with knowledge of the witch hunt, says there is no collusion, when does it end?" Trump said in a May 12 tweet.

Clapper’s comments have not been as definitive as Trump said. Later that day, Clapper directly contradicted Trump’s claim in a TV interview.


The article lays out step by step why Trump's claims are false. Of course, most people with any sense know this already. Politifact merely documents the obvious.

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Donald Trump's Mostly False claim that James Clapper said no collusion found in Russia probe (Original Post) Julian Englis May 2017 OP
It's familiar reasoning. Igel May 2017 #1

Igel

(35,350 posts)
1. It's familiar reasoning.
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:27 PM
May 2017

We assume "not guilty" = innocent. It's common everywhere, and DU is no exception.

The OP requires negative evidence and that can be tough. Evidence of non-collusion looks like no evidence of collusion.

There are two ways of proving a negative. One is to examine every instance where something might have occurred and to show it didn't. The other is logic-based and relies on proving something about an entailment--that something logically impossible if the proposition is true does actually happen, so the proposition is false.

The first is considered an informal fallacy. Prove there are no magical unicorns. Have you checked everywhere a unicorn could be using the required methodology and in such a way that the unicorn couldn't escape detection? No? Then do we assume they exist?

The usual way to avoid the fallacy is to assume proof of existence, not non-existence, is required. Then to assume that if those best in a position to know if something's existence say they have no such proof, to accept their word at face value.

After that we get into discourse pragmatic and when or why we attribute ill will and uncooperativeness to others.

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