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(47,487 posts)
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 07:50 PM Jul 2017

Trump, ObamaCare and the Art of the Fail - Peggy Noonan

It was a political drubbing of the first order. A new Republican president and a Republican Senate and House put everything they had into a bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare, and couldn’t do it. The leadership is rocked. The president looks confused and hapless, while publicly enacting determination and a scolding tone toward those who’d let him down. He rarely showed signs of fully understanding the details or even the essentials of the plan he backed. His public remarks were all over the place: He’ll let ObamaCare collapse of its own weight; he’ll replace it with something big and beautiful; just repeal it; no, let it collapse. He criticized Hill Republicans: They “never discuss how good their healthcare bill is.” But neither did he, not in a persuasive way.

Republicans on the Hill need a popular president with the quasi-mystical clout presidential popularity brings. Mr. Trump does not have it. They need someone who has a serious understanding of his own policies and can gently knock heads together.

It is true that a central dynamic of the failure was the truism that once people are given an entitlement, they aren’t keen to see it taken away. But another reason some senators voted to repeal ObamaCare in the past and refused now is they believe the ground has shifted. Back in their home states, in the almost-decade since the economic crash of 2008, and since the Obama era, what they’ve seen is more need, not less, more anxiety and dysfunction, and more public skepticism that change will constitute improvement. In politics you have to know how to read the ground, the real topography. You can’t just go by the work of past mapmakers, you have to see clearly what’s there now. It’s unconservative not to.

As for Mr. Trump, the first six months of his presidency suggest many things, including that what made him is thwarting him. He is a man alone, independent and ungoverned. He freelances not because circumstances dictate it but because he is by nature a freelancer. He doesn’t want to be enmeshed in an institution, he doesn’t want to have to bolster and defend it and see to its life. He wants to preserve his freedom—to tweet, to pop off, to play it this way or that. One of the interesting things about his New York Times interview this week was that he met with the reporters alone save for his aide Hope Hicks. Afterward members of his own White House reportedly had to scramble to get tapes so they’d know what the boss said.

But presidential leadership involves being to some degree an institution man, upholding not only a presidency but a government, even its other branches. He doesn’t understand this. In any case he doesn’t do it. It is all a personal drama. This aspect of his nature will probably make further legislative failures inevitable. In time, though no one in the White House seems to fear this, it will lead to his diminished support.

(snip)

But at some point baseline political competence is going to become part of the story. If the president continues to show he doesn’t have the toolbox for this job, he’s going to go from not gaining support, which is where he is now, to losing support. He’s not magic and they’re not stupid.

(snip)

And yet no fix or improvement in health care is going to be broadly accepted unless it comes from both parties. No reform will be accepted unless it’s produced in a way that includes public hearings in which representatives make the case and explain it all. And any fix, because of America’s current political nature, will be temporary. Democratic presidential hopefuls will be campaigning two years from now on single-payer, whatever happens with this bill.

And health care in battered, anxious America will continue to play against Republicans.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-obamacare-and-the-art-of-the-fail-1500592022

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Trump, ObamaCare and the Art of the Fail - Peggy Noonan (Original Post) question everything Jul 2017 OP
Noonan always has an ulterior motive. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #1
And, Noonan: it's the social safety net. Not the "e" word. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #2
Noonan is a self-absorbed moron. stopbush Jul 2017 #3
Couldn't agree more Metro135 Jul 2017 #10
OK, I'm more of a political novice than a savant but... BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #4
Yes, except you cannot run government like that question everything Jul 2017 #8
I didn't and won't read the entire op-ed but I can't believe she didn't mention her beloved Ronnie Boomerproud Jul 2017 #5
She did, decided to skip it (nt) question everything Jul 2017 #7
Peggy Noonon, finally admitting that trump's a disaster. Paladin Jul 2017 #6
'What made him is thwarting him. He is a man alone, independent and ungoverned. elleng Jul 2017 #9

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
1. Noonan always has an ulterior motive.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 08:15 PM
Jul 2017

You can't take her words at face value.

Here she's either trying to distance the GOP from Trump, and/or she's trying to influence GOP moderate Sens for the repeal bill this week. I think both.

Metro135

(359 posts)
10. Couldn't agree more
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 11:33 PM
Jul 2017

Look at some of these statements:

"But at some point baseline political competence is going to become part of the story. If the president continues to show he doesn’t have the toolbox for this job, he’s going to go from not gaining support, which is where he is now, to losing support."
Uh, Peg, have you been following the polls since 1/20? He's been losing support from day one.

"It is true that a central dynamic of the failure was the truism that once people are given an entitlement, they aren’t keen to see it taken away."
Yeah, especially when taking it away might possibly mean their deaths.

"Afterward members of his own White House reportedly had to scramble to get tapes so they’d know what the boss said."
Notice Noonan doesn't comment about the content of Trump's statements. They had to scramble to get the tapes? To what purpose? Could anyone understand what he said!?

"He criticized Hill Republicans: They 'never discuss how good their healthcare bill is.' But neither did he, not in a persuasive way."
And what could he POSSIBLY say Peg?

BigmanPigman

(51,610 posts)
4. OK, I'm more of a political novice than a savant but...
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 11:49 PM
Jul 2017

I thought that part of 45's popularity with his base is his desire to "shake things up, rock the boat, be anti-status quo government", etc. Aren't they the ones who elected him to specifically create "dysfunction"? I can't figure out what point she is trying to make. Perhaps she's speaking about Repub in general and not his hard core base. If she were speaking of his base I guess she wouldn't have written that they are "not stupid". As I said, I am a novice so please help me comprehend her point.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
8. Yes, except you cannot run government like that
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 12:58 PM
Jul 2017

You cannot decide to stop monitoring safety of water, bridges and drugs.

You cannot decide to let pilots navigate skies and runways on their own.

You cannot even decide to leave import and export to "market forces."

Trump himself benefited from the bankruptcy laws.

And why bother with press secretary if you communicate via twitter?

And yes, his voters hate Obamacare, until they realize that they will suffer. He constantly changes his mind. He does not run the country. We have a legislative body that enact laws, though, no doubt, his deplorables don't know and don't care.

Thus, if he wants to provide a "great health care system that benefits everyone" without details, of course, he has to communicate with members of Congress. Same with "tax reform."

Even if he, and his deplorables think that all they need are sign on a decree, someone will have to provide details.

Boomerproud

(7,955 posts)
5. I didn't and won't read the entire op-ed but I can't believe she didn't mention her beloved Ronnie
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 01:04 AM
Jul 2017

like all the other pubbies who criticize 45.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
9. 'What made him is thwarting him. He is a man alone, independent and ungoverned.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 05:42 PM
Jul 2017

. . .But presidential leadership involves being to some degree an institution man, upholding not only a presidency but a government, even its other branches. He doesn’t understand this. In any case he doesn’t do it. It is all a personal drama.'

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