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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 04:01 PM Mar 2012

Leave Afghanistan now

Editor's note: Arsalan Iftikhar is an international human rights lawyer, founder of TheMuslimGuy.com and author of the book "Islamic Pacifism: Global Muslims in the Post-Osama Era."

(CNN) -- Nearly two years ago in June 2010, the war in Afghanistan surpassed the Vietnam War to become the longest war in American history. Although the U.S. ousted the Taliban from power and killed Osama bin Laden last year in Pakistan, it is clear that recent incidents, including the tragic killing of civilians by a U.S. soldier, are costing Americans the hearts and minds of the people of Afghanistan.

As a result, there should be real concern that the lives of nearly 2,000 American troops and more than 14,000 Afghan civilians who have been killed during this decade-long war could have been lost in vain.

The most recent blow to the NATO mission in Afghanistan is the dreadful story of an American soldier who apparently "went rogue" in a night-time shooting massacre and allegedly murdered at least 16 innocent civilians, including nine children and three women, Sunday morning near a U.S. base in southern Afghanistan.

"I am deeply saddened by the reported killing and wounding of Afghan civilians," President Obama immediately said in a statement. "I offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives, and to the people of Afghanistan, who have endured too much violence and suffering. This incident is tragic and shocking, and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan."

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/12/opinion/iftikhar-leave-aghanistan
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Leave Afghanistan now (Original Post) bemildred Mar 2012 OP
du rec. nt xchrom Mar 2012 #1
Make that Two! excuse not to write Mar 2012 #18
Afghanistan killings: gunman hunted families as if they were military targets bemildred Mar 2012 #2
Afghan man recounts US soldier's shooting spree bemildred Mar 2012 #11
This Incident, Sir, Is Pretty Much the End Our Afghan Venture.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #3
One hopes so, Sir. Folly, as you know, often shows great inertia, once it gets rolling. bemildred Mar 2012 #4
Yes..C & C breakdown disturbingly familiar Owlet Mar 2012 #7
the day we invaded i knew this was gonna end like vietnam. Robeysays Mar 2012 #8
It Will, Sir, Be Impossible To Even Pretend Afghans Support Our Presence Now The Magistrate Mar 2012 #10
The President has said there won't be a "rush for the exits" so expect more killings sad sally Mar 2012 #12
People Say What is Expected Of Them, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2012 #16
The words of Presidents are the words Presidents are expected to speak. bemildred Mar 2012 #19
K&R s think Mar 2012 #5
We should get out as quickly as possible. Glorfindel Mar 2012 #6
Agree, but it ain't gonna' happen... sad sally Mar 2012 #13
I read that this soldier was on his 4th tour (3 in Iraq and this one in Afghanistan). Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #9
Have you ever read "The Sandbox?" It's a place where currently serving military can tell us how sad sally Mar 2012 #14
So sad to read that. Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #17
It would be the smart thing to do, but our government doesn't always do the sarcasmo Mar 2012 #15

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. Afghanistan killings: gunman hunted families as if they were military targets
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 04:04 PM
Mar 2012

His victims were all asleep as the 38-year-old US staff sergeant began trying, door by door, to force himself into the mud-walled homes of Afghan farmers.

Eventually, a lock gave way, and the gunshots that killed the first of 16 civilians meant the others, mostly women and children, were awake when he arrived to murder them, said Agha Lalai Dastgiri, a senior official charged with investigating the shooting spree in the early hours of Sunday morning.

"The house where four people were killed was the first one he entered, and they were all sleeping," Dastagiri said. "When people in the other houses heard the sound of the shooting they also woke up and were making noises or sitting on their beds when the American entered."

The Taliban on Monday vowed to exact revenge on the "sick-minded American savages" for the shootings in their heartland, southern Kandahar province, as relatives and neighbours of the victims held memorial services, and details of the murderous rampage began to emerge.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/12/afghanistan-killings-us-gunman-rampage?newsfeed=true

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Afghan man recounts US soldier's shooting spree
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 07:23 PM
Mar 2012

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan man recounted Monday the harrowing tale of how an American soldier on a killing spree burst into his home in the middle of the night, searched the rooms, then dropped to a knee and shot his father in the thigh as he emerged from a bedroom.

The staff sergeant is now in custody, accused of killing 16 Afghan civilians, most of them children, and then burning many of the bodies. The name of the 38-year-old soldier was not released because it would be "inappropriate" to do so before charges are filed, said Pentagon spokesman George Little.

Sunday's attack in southern Kandahar province comes as anti-Americanism already is boiling over in Afghanistan after U.S. troops burned Qurans last month and a video of Marines urinating on alleged Taliban corpses was posted on the Internet in January.

If the attack unleashes another wave of anti-foreigner hatred, it could threaten the future of the U.S.-led coalition's mission in Afghanistan. The events have also raised doubts among U.S. political figures that the long and costly war is worthy.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i7ts3x3CgbJehvY7FwHoAY7ty9dQ?docId=c38c1e2b46b1472d8c6c8aa89cb1324b

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. One hopes so, Sir. Folly, as you know, often shows great inertia, once it gets rolling.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 04:09 PM
Mar 2012

But it would seem we are getting near the end. I seem to be seeing command and control issues popping up here and there, and that is a sign I remember well from 40 years ago.

Owlet

(1,248 posts)
7. Yes..C & C breakdown disturbingly familiar
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 04:34 PM
Mar 2012

I hope there's a helipad on the roof of our embassy in Kabul.

The Magistrate

(95,255 posts)
10. It Will, Sir, Be Impossible To Even Pretend Afghans Support Our Presence Now
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 05:55 PM
Mar 2012

Coming so close on the heels of the burnt Korans, this thing has wrought a sea-change. Not even a well-controlled puppet regime could continue in disregard of popular sentiment felt in the degree now roused.

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
12. The President has said there won't be a "rush for the exits" so expect more killings
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:29 PM
Mar 2012

more insanity, more waste...

The President is fighting terror and terrorist, and they are us.

The Magistrate

(95,255 posts)
16. People Say What is Expected Of Them, Ma'am
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 11:24 PM
Mar 2012

These past couple of weeks, capped by this, seals our departure, and probably a bit before scheduled.

"How is the world ruled, and wars begun? Diplomats tell lies to journalists, then believe what they read in the newspapers."

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
19. The words of Presidents are the words Presidents are expected to speak.
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 10:17 AM
Mar 2012

Most of the time, they are little more than comforting noise.

I think we have lost the "stomach" for this, to use the war-criminal Cheney's words, and will be leaving, fast or not so fast, but leaving. And once you are definitely leaving, things tend to get untenable rapidly.

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
13. Agree, but it ain't gonna' happen...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:32 PM
Mar 2012

“We’ve got to do it in a responsible way -- reducing our footprint progressively, giving Afghans more and more responsibility while we keep an eye on going after Al Qaeda and making sure that no attacks against our homeland can be launched from that region,” Obama said. “That’s going to be my continued focus for the next couple of years.”

It's an election year. The President must remain tough on terror. Admitting the US has done (all the damage) it can do in Afghanistan at this time would mean a Republican win.

sickening...war at any cost; a political win is more important than ending insanity.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
9. I read that this soldier was on his 4th tour (3 in Iraq and this one in Afghanistan).
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 04:43 PM
Mar 2012

I wonder how many tours our soldiers have there? If this is typical, I think this might be a flag that there is an upper time limit to sustaining a fighting force in a theater such as Afghanistan where they are so culturally isolated from the population.

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
14. Have you ever read "The Sandbox?" It's a place where currently serving military can tell us how
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:38 PM
Mar 2012

they are. As to the questions you've posed, here's from one post:

http://gocomics.typepad.com/the_sandbox/

With many of my veteran friends and 99% of all citizens who bother to leave a comment on a news site raging about how these people are barbarians and not worth our time and effort -- and with months to go on my third tour -- how do I feel?

Isolated. Outcast. Alone. My will to fight the good fight has the gravitational pull of the black hole that is the loss of national will dragging it towards the event horizon. It feels different. It is a sea change that is occurring… or has occurred.

We have lost our national will to the point that the troops over here sense it. It’s an underlying feeling, a sensing more than a feeling, that whatever we do, it doesn’t matter. We are here, tasked with something that our own civilian masters, if not the majority of our own people, don’t support us in. Our poorly stated national objectives, the inexorable pulling away from a task that those of us who are close enough to see can tell is not ready -- we sense it. Enough progress was made to say that we put in a peak effort, but that peak effort was always on a timer. It was given just enough of a chance that had it brought massive success it would have been welcomed.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
17. So sad to read that.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 11:51 PM
Mar 2012

I'm not really surprised and I'm sorry we have troops in a hostile theater where there is no compelling mission and no clear definition of who the enemy is. Add that to soldiers who've been in combat mode for 10 years, it shouldn't be surprising to see a breakdown in morale and discipline.

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