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Eugene

(61,899 posts)
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:12 PM Aug 2017

Oklahoma isn't working. Can anyone fix this failing American state?

Source: The Guardian

Oklahoma isn't working. Can anyone fix this failing American state?

Poverty, police abuse, record prison rates and education cuts that mean a four-day school week. Why are public services failing Oklahomans?

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Added up, the facts evoke a social breakdown across the board. Not only does Oklahoma lead the country in cuts to education, it’s also number one in rates of female incarceration, places second in male incarceration, and also leads in school expulsion rates. One in twelve Oklahomans have a felony conviction.

Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center wrote in an essay that states begin to fail when the contract between citizens and public institutions breaks down. States “lose control over the means of violence, and cannot create peace or stability for their populations or control their territories. They cannot ensure economic growth or any reasonable distribution of social goods.”

It may be hard to believe, but entry-level employees with a high school diploma at the popular convenience store QuikTrip make more than teachers in Oklahoma.

For four years running, the state has led the nation in tax cuts to education, outpacing second-place Alabama by double digits. Years of tax cuts and budget shortfalls mean that Oklahoma has fallen to 49th in teacher pay. Spending per pupil has dropped by 26.9% since 2008.

Things have become so bad that the Cherokee nation, a tribe systematically cheated out of its land allotments in the creation of the modern state of Oklahoma, recently donated $5m to the state’s education fund.

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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/29/oklahoma-education-system-four-day-school-weeks-poor

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Oklahoma isn't working. Can anyone fix this failing American state? (Original Post) Eugene Aug 2017 OP
The people can. Yet they haven't and continualy support what makes it worse. Autumn Aug 2017 #1
Numerous amounts of my family live there gay texan Aug 2017 #2
I and other DUers live in OK bobbieinok Aug 2017 #5
I can pinpoint it gay texan Aug 2017 #7
Have to agree bobbieinok Aug 2017 #8
There are solutions to these problems but they refuse to implement them. LonePirate Aug 2017 #3
Sorry! I say eff'em every single one of those RW Okies! machoneman Aug 2017 #4
I assume you don't live in a red state bobbieinok Aug 2017 #6
+1000. n/t Beartracks Aug 2017 #10
New QuikTrip employees make more than Oklahoma teachers??? Beartracks Aug 2017 #9

gay texan

(2,448 posts)
2. Numerous amounts of my family live there
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 12:23 PM
Aug 2017

In that state the only thing that concerns them is religious freedom, gun rights , and Abortion. The republicans and the majority of the people only have themselves to blame

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
5. I and other DUers live in OK
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 06:22 PM
Aug 2017

In the early 20th century, OK was said to be the most socialist state in the US.

What caused the change? Was it the dominance of the state by the oil industy?

Or was it the changing US religious climate? Southern Baptists have long been a major denomination in the state. But toxic fundamentalism became a force in GOP politics on the national and thus on the state level with the far right take-over of the SBC in the 70s and 80s and the national political power grab by the Moral Majority in the late 70s.

Although IA doesn't have the SBC history, it has switched from a reliably liberal democratic party state to a state gradually being swallowed by a fundamentalist, far right GOP.

gay texan

(2,448 posts)
7. I can pinpoint it
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 07:10 PM
Aug 2017

The election of Reagan and the rise of the Moral Majority. My beloved state started changing before my eyes. People started becoming mean, unreasonable.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
8. Have to agree
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 09:26 PM
Aug 2017

I was in IA in 1980. I hated walking the precinct to get out the vote, knowing they would vote for Reagan and against adding the ERA ammendment to the US Constitution. Unfortunately, I was right.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
3. There are solutions to these problems but they refuse to implement them.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 01:08 PM
Aug 2017

At some point, we must let them be and not look back as history leaves the people of Oklahoma behind by their own free will.

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
4. Sorry! I say eff'em every single one of those RW Okies!
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 06:11 PM
Aug 2017

They are reaping what they have sown: Republiscumism at every level. Eff'em I say!

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
6. I assume you don't live in a red state
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 06:39 PM
Aug 2017

Last edited Tue Aug 29, 2017, 09:28 PM - Edit history (1)

There are still many democrats in OK. We just can't get any traction these days.

Maybe the national party could try a 50 state strategy and not just toss us loyal democrats in the trash.

Those of you living in blue states who care for democratic values have a responsibility to vote in every election, to make the party strong at every level. People in blue states can weather toxic federal policies better than those of us in red states. Your blue state governments can protect you in many ways, but those of us in red states don't have that type of protection.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
9. New QuikTrip employees make more than Oklahoma teachers???
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 01:59 AM
Aug 2017

Way to go, Oklahoma. And lawmakers are scratching their heads about "what to do about education" there. How about you PRIORITIZE IT?????

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