Even what I was doing and what the weather was like. It shocked the hell out of everybody.

This was in around 2000, nice guy, not a gun nut or deplorable from what I saw and I worked for him for a few months on a construction job in San Jose.

He said that "outside agitators" had a lot to do with what happened, he wasn't one of the shooters but was there that day.

He said he still had bad dreams about it all those years later, he left the guard soon after because he didn't ever want to be in a situation like that again.

He stated that without the outside agitators it wouldn't have happened but they got the guardsmen so worked up that the end result was people dying.

I didn't talk at length with him about it but that's the gist of our conversation.

The shooters wouldn't have done so if they were not pieces of crap anyway is what I think.

agitators' were even in Kent. The guardsmen were young, basically untrained, and their officers shouldn't have supplied live ammo.

I've never read anything about the incident at length, I do remember when it happened but I was just a kid then.

It's just what he said.

You may be right, he did seem to be a person who would find it hard to live with, he was/is more of a liberal during our conversations over an eight month period, and even liberals join our armed forces of course, my Father, my Uncle being the two flat out liberals that I knew them to be, one a Navy and one a Marine Veteran.

But it's just the way this person acted, I can't even remember what brought up the Kent state conversation.

Ohio (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young song)

The memory of that massacre should be kept alive, too.

-- Mal