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Loge23

(3,922 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:26 PM Nov 2017

What if Mueller proves his case and it doesn't matter? (excerpt)

"We don’t know yet if Mueller has the goods — documentary or testimonial proof of explicit collusion — or if he can get them, so we have no idea how this is ultimately going to play out.

But we are disturbingly close to the following scenario:

Say Mueller reveals hard proof that the Trump campaign knowingly colluded with Russia, strategically using leaked emails to hurt Clinton’s campaign. Say the president — backed by the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Fox News, Breitbart, most of the US Cabinet, half the panelists on CNN, most of the radio talk show hosts in the country, and an enormous network of Russian-paid hackers and volunteer shitposters working through social media — rejects the evidence.

They might say Mueller is compromised. It’s a Hillary/Deep State plot. There’s nothing wrong with colluding with Russia in this particular way. Dems did it first. All of the above. Whatever."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisis

This scenario has become increasingly plausible lately. I went to a Democratic club fundraiser last night and this topic was clearly referenced by the speaker. What in God's good name has become of this country??

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What if Mueller proves his case and it doesn't matter? (excerpt) (Original Post) Loge23 Nov 2017 OP
SNL had part of this on a sketch earlier in the year. n/m bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #1
WOW, it matters. Iliyah Nov 2017 #2
This was a good, but disturbing article. FM123 Nov 2017 #3
There was obviously collusion, and it damn sure looks like mueller will have a relatively easy time onecaliberal Nov 2017 #4
If that ends up being the case, we all must be ready to take it to DC, to the streets - NRaleighLiberal Nov 2017 #5
That is what will happen. BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #8
Yes, that's a problem marylandblue Nov 2017 #6
That's probably customerserviceguy Nov 2017 #7

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. WOW, it matters.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:30 PM
Nov 2017

I see they are doing everything to try and make this about nada, move on, nothing to see bullshit.

onecaliberal

(32,888 posts)
4. There was obviously collusion, and it damn sure looks like mueller will have a relatively easy time
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:38 PM
Nov 2017

Proving conspiracy by flipping others who don’t want to spend their lives behind bars. Don’t forget the person who has already pled guilty has been cooperating with the special council since August. I’m sure he has damning evidence.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)
5. If that ends up being the case, we all must be ready to take it to DC, to the streets -
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:40 PM
Nov 2017

any American that cares about the country should join us. It must be extended, loud, visible and HUGE.

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
8. That is what will happen.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 04:28 PM
Nov 2017

Half of the country already thinks he committed a crime (and this is a poll that was taken this week...much more is coming). If the GOP and right wingers try to get out of this there will be Hell to pay.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. Yes, that's a problem
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:25 PM
Nov 2017

I think the courts and DOJ have enough credibility to eke tbis one out, but whether we get rid of Trump or not, the problem will remain and get worse.

The only way out is for democrats to come up with a new political consensus that transcends the old. We are not doing well so far.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
7. That's probably
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 02:54 PM
Nov 2017

why the "Democratic Party paid for the dossier" story came out, it lets the GOP off the hook with the "everybody does it" excuse.

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