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bucolic_frolic

(43,316 posts)
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 06:10 PM Jan 2018

Why Trumps War on the Deep State Is FailingSo Far

So for right now, let’s consider the damage—both tangible and intangible—as a work in progress: non-trivial, potentially severe, but so far not catastrophic, and difficult ultimately to assess.

And despite all of that, I think we can say that, broadly speaking, the apparatus of democratic rule-of-law governance had held up reasonably well so far. Trump aspires to corrupt the Justice Department, but he has not yet managed to corrupt the Justice Department. He aspires to use the FBI to go after his political enemies, but he has not yet managed that either. He aspires to an intelligence community that will validate his premises, but he has not managed to get one. At the end of the day, Trump has not managed to shut down the Russia investigation. He has not managed to fire his attorney general or his deputy attorney general—both of whom he evidently hates. He has not even managed to rid himself of the lowly deputy FBI director, Andrew McCabe—though he so clearly wants that particular scalp—who will retire in March and not be removed before then. He’s already angry at his new FBI director, Christopher Wray.

The president is evidently incredulous about his inability to corrupt these institutions. He waxed frustrated about it, for example, in a recent radio interview:

But you know, the saddest thing is, because I am the President of the United States, I am not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department. I’m not supposed to be involved with the FBI. I’m not supposed to be doing the kind of things I would love to be doing and I am very frustrated by it. I look at what’s happening with the Justice Department, why aren’t they going after Hillary Clinton with her emails and with her dossier, and the kind of money… I don’t know, is it possible that they paid $12.4 million for the dossier . . . which is total phony, fake, fraud and how is it used? It’s very discouraging to me. I’ll be honest, I’m very unhappy with it, that the Justice Department isn’t going . . . maybe they are but you know as President, and I think you understand this, as a President you’re not supposed to be involved in that process. But hopefully they are doing something and at some point, maybe we are going to all have it out.

One might look at all of this as evidence that Trump is not wholly unwise, so he announces his intentions to do all sort of bad things but then ultimately does not pull the trigger on many of them. I think the better understanding is that he is, at least for now, meaningfully constrained—both by politics and by law and rules.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/why-trumps-war-deep-state-failing%E2%80%94so-far

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Why Trumps War on the Deep State Is FailingSo Far (Original Post) bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 OP
There is no deep state... Thomas Hurt Jan 2018 #1
You describe the situation well, Thomas. OxQQme Jan 2018 #2

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. There is no deep state...
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 06:31 PM
Jan 2018

there is and has been a bureaucracy filled with career employees of many political stripes just doing their jobs and taking home a paycheck.

A bureaucracy that spread the power of the fed gov't over agencies.

Trump isn't fighting the deep state, he is fighting for centralized power, centralized around him and his lackey's as much as he can.

You can't run a proper authoritarian/totalitarian society when you have checks and balances, a free press, and independent agencies.

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
2. You describe the situation well, Thomas.
Tue Jan 2, 2018, 12:00 AM
Jan 2018

This bureaucracy you speak of is, for sure, far reaching.
So far, that one could say, "That's the deep state."

Depends on one's perception. Whether it has negative connotations. Or positive.
If you were to attach deep state to, say, the 'government' of the novel, 1984, that would be
different from attaching the term to a benevolent, below the surface, always there, such as the power
of the up-coming Women's March. Several million people in the streets. Taco trucks on every corner.
Rainbow banners. The #MeToo movement.

That could be "The Deep State" instead.

"We" not "Me"

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