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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:29 PM Jan 2018

Guess which US immigrants improve their English skills fastest

Guess which US immigrants improve their English skills fastest

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Nikhil Sonnad
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January 25, 2018

Donald Trump doesn’t think languages other than English belong in the US. During his 2016 presidential campaign, he criticized Jeb Bush for speaking “Mexican,” because “this is America.” He also wants people’s English-speaking skills to determine whether they get to move to the United States.

It is true that many immigrants to the US may not speak English well upon arrival. It is true that that can make it harder for them to work and succeed in the country. It is also true, though, that they will inevitably pick it up. Does country of origin make a difference in their ability to do so? Trump would like a stricter immigration policy on countries he thinks are “shitholes,” in part because he doesn’t think they’ll fit in. He thinks immigrants should be from rich, Western countries like Norway. We can test the idea that immigrants from certain places assimilate better by breaking down English improvement by country.

Quartz analyzed US census data to find out to see how immigrants improve in English, focusing on people who arrived between 1995 and 2000, and measuring the self-reported change in their English ability from 2000 to 2015. There, the biggest gain of all is among the small group of immigrants from Cape Verde—a poor African nation that surely Trump does not believe is “like Norway.”

Donald Trump doesn’t think languages other than English belong in the US. During his 2016 presidential campaign, he criticized Jeb Bush for speaking “Mexican,” because “this is America.” He also wants people’s English-speaking skills to determine whether they get to move to the United States.

It is true that many immigrants to the US may not speak English well upon arrival. It is true that that can make it harder for them to work and succeed in the country. It is also true, though, that they will inevitably pick it up. Does country of origin make a difference in their ability to do so? Trump would like a stricter immigration policy on countries he thinks are “shitholes,” in part because he doesn’t think they’ll fit in. He thinks immigrants should be from rich, Western countries like Norway. We can test the idea that immigrants from certain places assimilate better by breaking down English improvement by country.

Quartz analyzed US census data to find out to see how immigrants improve in English, focusing on people who arrived between 1995 and 2000, and measuring the self-reported change in their English ability from 2000 to 2015. There, the biggest gain of all is among the small group of immigrants from Cape Verde—a poor African nation that surely Trump does not believe is “like Norway.”

More:
https://qz.com/1184530/which-immigrants-in-the-us-have-been-the-best-at-learning-english/

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Guess which US immigrants improve their English skills fastest (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2018 OP
I can tell you the answer...those under 10 years old. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #1
As an immigrant, I had a huge advantage quartz007 Jan 2018 #2
Quibbles. Igel Jan 2018 #3

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
1. I can tell you the answer...those under 10 years old.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:40 PM
Jan 2018

All teachers in CA have to take classes and get a degrees in Second Lang Development and acquisition. I had to do this 20 years ago and learned a great deal. As an elementary school teacher in San Diego for over 15 years I have first hand experience. Kids learn a second language easier than adults and it is partially due to immersion but also due to the human brain and how it develops. The size of the portion of the brain that learns language is really large in young children and continues to decrease in size as a person ages. The part of the brain goes from about the size of a peach to the size of a thumbnail by the time a person is about 21 years old. It is developmental.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
2. As an immigrant, I had a huge advantage
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:48 PM
Jan 2018

due to all my education through bachelor's degree in India (largest democracy in world by population) was done in English, and that made it much easier to succeed in getting a higher degree in US, and then finding jobs in US and doing well in those jobs.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
3. Quibbles.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 11:09 PM
Jan 2018

"Self-reported." Dunning-Kruger

Where you start matters. If I started learning Finnish, I'd sense the biggest gain in going from 0 to some competency in a year. If I continued learning Czech, ktery nemluvim hodne dobre, ale mluvim, I'd report a much smaller improvement after a year.

Attitude matters. I'd report a smaller increase all things being equal than my nephew would. He's awesome, not pestered at all by inane notions of veridicality or humility.

This, layered on top of notions about distance between languages.

Personally--maybe it's just how late it is for me--I can't make sense out of a comparison between some of the charts Quartz presents.

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