will come when they denounce corporate rule and take a chance on energizing their true base, the good guys. After all when the republicans energize their true base, racists and hateful they win.

from the corporate media conglomerates.

Corporate money stays with the big boys.

Like... hate radio and hate TV and hate publishing and hate "documentaries" and hate online sites... and the Tea Party... and the NRA... etc.. that all specifically target their base. And a major part of the problem (for us and the rest of the world) is that this base is woefully deficient in even the most primitive critical thinking skills so they'll fall for anything, no matter how absurd. Plus... listening to, watching and reading propaganda 24-hrs-a-day is actually entertaining to them. And this propaganda is carefully designed to appeal to and relentlessly trigger their existing prejudices and character flaws.

But the regular corporate media plays its role, too... like in the last election with excerpts from the Brietbart-related Clinton Cash in both the WP and NYT just as Clinton was declaring her candidacy.. and all the false equivalency... and much more concern with the horse race than policies or qualifications...and the overall "normalizing" of that vulgar, amoral, corrupt con man with constant coverage and an inability to call lies lies... and a complete loss all sense of proportion in the hyped-up coverage of each and every "failing" of his opponent.

Trump is a direct result from decades of the corporate media conglomerates propaganda brainwashing.

Image, celebrity, style, the horse race, scandal and superficial fluff has been the order of the day with them, non-stop coverage.

Substantive in depth coverage of the critical issues of the day that can and does mean life and death to millions of Americans is sluffed off during election season as so much dead skin.

To the CMCs which make mega-bucks during campaign season, it's all one big reality T.V. show.

People are worried about the Russians and rightfully so but our own corporate media conglomerates all but created Trump, he's their monster.

fighting harder, not to allow the gop to throw their lies around without pushing back, making sure the country and the world understand that they are lying. If you don't respond to their lies people will take them as true.

Democrats want to be too politically correct. If you get on a boxing bout you cannot fight without throwing punches expecting your opponent to tire down, you will eventually get knocked out, you have to throw punches back, and they have to be harder.

Another thing they need to make clear about republicans is the fact that they don't think, someone prepares the script for them and then ALL of them repeat verbatim, they create memes, and so should the democrats.

We have to come to terms that US voters are very uneducated, they are fanatical and don't understand some of the talk the democrats give out, the words and ideas are too complex for them. I hate to say that but it is the truth. Why did trump become so popular with some masses? by talking like a five year old, he was able to comminicate to those empty heads who can only understand what a five year old is saying.

for trump because of hatred of Hillary and everything liberal. Liberals aren’t allowed to be heard and their ideas are suppressed by the powerful therefore it is most important for Democrats to stop taking money from corporations and begin to preach liberal ideals from all corners of USA. Democrats are afraid of their base because it costs them. Big money comes out and destroys them if they uphold progressive values which ultimately takes money away from the powerful. TIMES UP. Trump’s the bottom of the pit and we are barely leading in the pols. DEMOCRATS GIVE UP CORPORATE CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT OR DESTROY US AND THE PLANET. TIME’S UP!!!

The last time I looked, the GOP has turned over the entire government to corporate control. Hatred of Hillary is no substitute for intelligence. Hate is a mark of ignorance, in my opinion. Historically, Democrats have supported unions, social service organizations, public service institutions, and corporate accountability for workplace safety, decent wages, equal opportunity, and affordable health care. However, no Democrat should refuse corporate finances as long as they vote for citizen consumer interests over corporate welfare. The alleged $250,000 HRC speaking fee from Goldman-Sachs is looking like a huge nothing-burger compared to the swamp-dwellers now running this administration and ruining our government and trampling over the law and the Constitution.

Democrats need to flaunt and remind voters of their past achievements and how the GOP has been and still is trying thwart anything that remotely helps the working men and women and the poor. SS, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, etc would never have been around had it not been for Democrats. We just don't remind voters almost like we are ashamed of our past achievements. Sure, we never have done enough when we had the power but we did much better than shredding the social safety net like the GOP is doing now. The Parkland kids ought to be our model instead of treating them like an albatross. We need to be much more active in responding to the lies and misinformation being put out by the lame media and this administration. We need to DEMAND that the media carry our message as faithfully and unadulterated as they do the Trumpian messages from the GOP and WH.

Just go away.

So why don't you go preach this to Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon, and the fine folk at Jackpine?

At this point, a non landslide means there is something intrinsically wrong with the integrity of republicans and they have deep character flaws. Sorry, but there are a lot of f*ed up people out there. And well, gerrymandering, and single issues like guns & abortion that they will protect/overturn to their death & turn the other cheek no matter what Trump does....and racism which has been emboldened by Trump...and brainwashing that the FBI is trying to frame Trump. How do you prove facts when they've discarded everyone but Fox news as fact?

The only thing that will make these people jump ship is: when the administration comes knocking at their own door and takes something away that is important to their livelihood. The ones that see Trump for what he is now (and realized they were deceived) will already be voting blue. Some people who are deep in the Fox hole may have their minds changed by visual proof of Trump's corruption. But even still, many will make excuses.

Nader is blaming the victim of a RW conspiracy with many obstacles.

to say that progressives should UNITE in the face of someone like DT.

Hillary and Bernie had agreed on the same progressive platform, much of which originated with Bernie. There's no reason that Jill Stein, Putin's guest at the head table, couldn't have agreed on it, too -- except that she was helping Putin and DT.

1. Knowing that republicans cheat, why didn't the DNC prepare itself better? Why didn't they anticipate the cheating.
2. Why didn't the DNC anticipate the hacking? France did and they defeated the Russians on that.
3. Why is it that Democrats don't fight harder to refute republicans lies? So many lies that get uncontested, go ahead and show proof that its a lie.
4. How should democrats fight this battle to try to convert as many people as possible.
5. How can Democrats stay on point, just like republicans do, and send a consistent message to everyone?
6. How else can Democrats do to send the message out and have the empty heads understand?
etc.

Nader's quote should be used to rationalize to try to do better, he is right, it should be a nobrainer to defeat the GOP in November and 2020, so lets reflect and see why trump still has the approval rating he has, it should be close to zero, but there it is, close on 40% which for people who are listening and paying attention is a shocker.

Show who the actors of the gop are, in full...trump, pence, ryan, mcconell, grassley, etc.

I find it rather confounding that for many election cycles Democrats get clobbered with more or less the same set of reThuglican shenanigans, even in elections where Dems win. How long will the games reThuglicans play be permitted to go seriously unchallenged? And when Dems win they start disarming themselves even before taking office. Recall "looking forward" or "keeping our powder dry" and many more?
I am so angered and frustrated by it all. Dems have to get there heads out of holes.

Dems won in '08 and '12 and more votes in '16.

We'll see if Perez's tactics to combat repug cheating is effective in Nov.

I'm optimist that we'll at least take the House.

It remains to seen how Mueller's work will effect the orange pustule in the WH.

taking steps to prevent a reoccurrence there of what happened here. And one of the steps they took would be illegal here, because it would violate freedom of the press. They didn't allow any election related coverage in the days right before and during the election.

Nader should be blaming himself and the Green party for actions they deliberately took to divide the left. His party, with its less than 5 % of the vote, is the last group that should be criticizing Dems for putting out an ineffective message. The Dems won the national vote by 2.9 million.

France doesn't have a backwards mainstream party made up of ignorant anti science bigots like the US has .

France is not as religious as the US is.

Nader wants Republicans to win. Obama DID win and Nader's Response was that Obama should be primaried and defeated.

it happen in the US first.

most voters, be honest, only heard Bernie making passionate speeches about progressive policies. Healthcare for all, free college tuition. Like all other establishment democrats Hillary didn’t want to upset her donors and thus remained passionless on the trail. Look at the difference in crowds for each candidate. Progressive speech resonates with the Democratic base and brings them out in droves.

needy. Fact. When media and Bernie himself painted non truths in the conversation that confused or misguided voters, that is on them. Media spent an unrealistic time promoting a false email scandal rather than what HRC was saying in front of crowds. HRC consistently discussed these issues in every one of her speeches and absolutely was not hesitant in order to "not upset" donors.

HRC donors supported what she stood for.

What you have done, just like Nader and just like Bernie is feed propaganda to create a falsehood, which was so clearly done with HRC and 2016. We need to get past that.

Another falsehood is that Bernie had the Democratic base. Wrong. That was HRC. She won all closed primary states. Bernie had the non base of rural, open primary and caucus. Misinformation. Facts matter.

and there was a very large crowd at the event I attended.

Bernie's speeches failed to move me. Your experience was different.

but maybe the media just failed to show Hillary’s speeches.

I have said it many times.

We are too nice.

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I liked Ralph when he fixed seat belts, that was cool. Just kinda meh to what he says now, why are we debating the merits of a Ralph Nader quote again?

to screw the Democratic Party. That’s a fact, Jack, so I’ll call you a goat anytime I wish.

about the mirror reference and "wishing someone else had"...., I STILL hold him in contempt as one of the enablers of the 2000 theft of the national election by the RW, with vote dilution. Along with the Fla SOS and a cowardly, for sure, and possibly compromised SC.

We members of the Democratic Party must rise. We must become a force to be reckoned with. Irrefutable, UNDENIABLE. There are very angry progressives and liberals out here.

People love to hate on Nader cuz they don't want to admit that the Democratic Party is partly responsible for the current clusterfuck. The dems haven't been a strong opposition party for over 35 years. Every time the GOP makes a hard right, the dems drift in that direction, too. The dem party has shifted so far right that now, old time republicans are comfortable running as democrats. WTF? But I guess as long as they're better than Trump, it's okay, huh?

Obama is just an icon for the entire party in this cartoon. This shit has been going on for 35 years.

Compromising is only expected from one side of the political spectrum - the left; even within the Democratic Party, the left is expected to compromise else the shout of "extreme" or "radical" leftwing goes up to the rafters.

"You gotta meet us halfway."
"Okay."
"Now you gotta give us everything else."
"What the hell for?"
"Because we refuse to compromise our ideals!"

Look, if you supported Bernie through the primary, that's fine.

If you dug your heels in afterwards and argued and fought and campaigned against Hillary throughout Election Day, you--with your precious gossamer "pure conscience" and your childish troll desire to "shake things up"--did everything you could to cause what we're going through now, regardless of your actual vote.

Stop scapegoating Hillary--she won the popular vote--look in the mirror, and ask yourself why you did everything you could to give power to the worst, the most ignorant, the most corporate indentured, the cruelest Republican Party in history.

doing it now with this very statement.

"There's not a dimes worth of difference between Bush and Gore"
Ralph Nader 1999

installation of Geore W. Bush and all that ensued, including the Iraq War.

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the greed and inhumanity of the Republican Party; they practice false equivalence journalism. And because the MSM is a corportation, their slant is generally in favor of republicans talking points. Nader, have you heard of Fox and Sinclair and hate radio? And let's not forget spoilers, who know they can't win but enter a race and split the votes, allowing republicans to win. Go away, you have done seismic damage.

Love all 3 posts - really sums up what I'm thinking about the guy.

Yeah, saved lives with the "auto safety" thing - screwed us over with the "Bush-Gore" thing (bet some Iraq war widows would agree with that...................).

Hit the road, Ralph - preferably in a Corvair!

Show me evidence that we are not going to landslide the GOP.

we hear every fucking day about bigoted assholes calling the cops on people for sleeping, waiting, listening etc because they don't fit into the white xtian hetero profile.

all the shit said about obama . the bigots who admit why they supported trump.

most of those people are voting on their bigotry.

LBJ talked about it and it has shown to be true all these years.

Republicans. so why doesn't he easily beat them ?

It’s bullshit and it is designed to enable Republican electoral victories.

Nader calls to defeat him in a primary.

his goal is always attacking democrats to help republicans win.

thinks one party should easily beat the other.

when democrats do win like Obama did he spends his time calling to defeat him in a primary.

nader is a sleazy piece of shit.

I don't recognize this place anymore...

And for the record, Ralph's talking point is *SO* December 2016... I can tell he's been out of the loop for a long-assed time...