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demmiblue

(36,893 posts)
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 03:26 PM Jun 2018

Donald Trump Has Been Lying to the American Public, and Journalists Need to Call Him Out

“Journalists who are most cautious with the “lie” label argue that we cannot truly know Trump’s purpose for sh*tting on the very concept of facts.”

Source: Teen Vogue

President Donald Trump’s lies are well documented. PolitiFact estimated that from June 2015, when he announced his campaign, until November 2016, when he won the election, almost 70% of the things he said publicly were “mostly false,” “false,” or “pants on fire.” On May 1, The Washington Post reported that as of that date he had issued 3,001 false or misleading statements since taking office, averaging almost 6.5 a day, up from 4.9 over the first 100 days, when the newspaper first started keeping track. The president of the United States is basically an anti-reality Pez dispenser. So why does the media often avoid using the word “lie” when reporting on all of his false claims?

Lately there has been a reinvigorated conversation around labeling something a lie. The debate boils down to a question of intent: Journalists who are most cautious with the “lie” label argue that we cannot truly know Trump’s purpose for shitting on the very concept of facts. Is he working off of misinformation? Is he exaggerating with his “Art of the Deal” tactic of “truthful hyperbole”? Is he hallucinating an anthropomorphic pumpkin that is telling him what to say? We are not inside the president’s brain, they argue, and so we cannot know.

One such journalist is Maggie Haberman, a White House correspondent for The New York Times. On Sunday, May 27, she responded to criticism about her frequent refusal to use the word “lie” in her work with a series of tweets. “I have written stories about his lies, falsehoods, whoppers, half-truths, salesman-like stretches,” she tweeted. “The reality is that what he does can be hard to label because, as anyone who has worked for him will tell you in candor, he often thinks whatever he says is what’s real.” As far as I’m concerned, all of those euphemisms for “lies” still mean lies, and if, as Haberman asserts, he really believes them, then she should report that it is also possible that the president is out touch with reality.

Later on May 27, Brian Stelter, host of CNN’s Reliable Sources, discussed the “lie” debate. In a segment titled “All the President’s Lies,” he argued that more nuance is required. “We need to distinguish between a deflection, an exaggeration, and a straight-up lie,” Stelter said, pointing to a recent example in which Trump tweeted that “killings” in Chicago are happening “at a record pace.” “Thankfully, they’re not,” Stelter continued. “The number is on the way down. So either Trump has the wrong information, which makes this a falsehood, or he’s lying. Look, it’s bad either way, but we need to recognize the differences.”

This, too, is missing the point.


Read more: https://www.teenvogue.com/story/thigh-high-politics-donald-trump-lying-journalists-need-to-call-him-out
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Donald Trump Has Been Lying to the American Public, and Journalists Need to Call Him Out (Original Post) demmiblue Jun 2018 OP
I'd like to see more people reading this. Control-Z Jun 2018 #1
A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie... BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #2
Kick dalton99a Jun 2018 #3

BigmanPigman

(51,627 posts)
2. A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie...
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 04:56 PM
Jun 2018

A lie by any other name would be as purposely false.

OK, I get the subtle difference since the objective listener is supposed to consider the source and the context of the "lie" before deciding whether it is an out and out lie made on purpose for whatever reason or a crazy person who is so deranged that he can not tell truth from fiction, fact from lie. If this is how we are supposed to run a major country then that is the answer right there! If we have a leader who is so fucked up and evil that no one, including foreign leaders, can tell if he really means what he says or is simply crazy than we have a problem...a.huge one.

Just discussing this issue is a giant red flag. If we have ongoing doubt about every word out of his mouth every single minute of his time in office, than he should not be in office at all. The cabinet needs to remove him under the 25th Amend since he is a real and dangerous threat to the safety of the country. He isn't fit for office and must be removed ASAP! The cabinet won't do it since they are raping the very agencies they were hired to oversee. They are the definition of selfish corruption and should be removed as well. The GOP owns ALL OF THIS! Our job, if we survive intact and sane from this nightmare/shit show it to make sure this can never happen again. We may have to change the constitution by limiting SCOTUS years of service or getting rid of the electoral vote in favor of a popular vote and changing a zillion laws as well as making new ones in both chambers to protect all 3 branches and make the checks and balances fair as the founders intended.

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