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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,036 posts)
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 05:50 PM Jun 2018

Paul Krugman: Oh, What a Stupid Trade War

So, the trade war is on. And what a stupid trade war it is.

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The official – and legal – justification for the steel and aluminum tariffs is national security. That’s an obviously fraudulent rationale, given that the main direct victims are democratic allies. But Trump and co. presumably don’t care about telling lies with regard to economic policy, since that’s what they do about everything. They would see it as all fair game if the policy delivered job gains Trump could trumpet. Will it?

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And the answer, almost surely, is that this trade war will actually be a job-killer, not a job-creator, for two reasons.

First, Trump is putting tariffs on intermediate goods – goods that are used as inputs into the production of other things, some of which themselves have to compete on world markets. Most obviously, cars and other durable manufactured goods will become more expensive to produce, which means that we’ll sell less of them; and whatever gains there are in primary metals employment will be offset by job losses in downstream industries.

Playing with the numbers, it seems highly likely that even this direct effect is a net negative for employment.

Second, other countries will retaliate against U.S. exports, costing jobs in everything from motorcycles to sausages.

In some ways this situation reminds me of George W. Bush’s steel tariffs, which were motivated in part by hubris: the Bush administration thought of America as the world’s unchallengeable superpower, which we were in military terms; they failed to recognize that we were by no means equally dominant in economics and trade, and had a lot to lose from trade conflict. They quickly got schooled by an angry European Union, and backed down.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/opinion/oh-what-a-stupid-trade-war-very-slightly-wonkish.html

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Paul Krugman: Oh, What a Stupid Trade War (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2018 OP
PepsiCo underpants Jun 2018 #1
I'm definitely curious to see what it amounts to with Pepsi Blue_Adept Jun 2018 #2
This was a statement to retailers who buy directly in bulk underpants Jun 2018 #3
I can't imagine them not passing it on, though perhaps not until the summer season is over. Blue_Adept Jun 2018 #4

underpants

(182,834 posts)
1. PepsiCo
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 06:20 PM
Jun 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210692385

This year our business has experienced significant, unplanned increases across major commodity markets - including crude, aluminum, and PET (polyethylene terephthalate) - along with unprecedented rises in transportation and logistics costs. Aluminum tariffs represent further unplanned inflation.

Price increases will take effect July 1, 2018.

Signed
Senior VP PepsiCo Foodservice Field Sales

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
2. I'm definitely curious to see what it amounts to with Pepsi
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 11:33 AM
Jun 2018

I can only speak anecdotally when it comes to Pepsi. I follow the pricing on the 2-liter bottles for... reasons. My local Cumbies does a buy one ($1.69) get another for $1, which basically puts them both at just under $1.50. Pretty good for a convenience store, especially since the next size bottle down, in the cooler, is $1.89 on average. Three times as much for less price.

Market Basket is where I tend to buy more and average is $1.69 for a 2-liter. But they regularly run sales, such as today, where it's .99 cent bottles. Which is what they price their 1.5 "handheld" liter bottles at.

So, do they nix sales? That's never good because it gets them prime placement at the front. I suspect they raise price, say $1.99, and do their discounts closer to the $1.49 pricing or some form of buy X get one free, like buy 3 get 1 free.

Essentially, I'm wondering what the real world impact of the statement will be because if they push to far they lose an immense amount of business. And Coke basically employs the same plan - but the last month has seen them nix the sales and just do flat $1.69 pricing on their 2-liter bottles.

underpants

(182,834 posts)
3. This was a statement to retailers who buy directly in bulk
Tue Jun 5, 2018, 12:02 PM
Jun 2018

We'll see if the market withstand them passing it on.

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