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kpete

(72,010 posts)
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:19 AM Mar 2012

Charles Pierce asks the appropriate question: When Will 9/11 Stop Being an Alibi for Injustice?

When Will 9/11 Stop Being an Alibi for Injustice?
By Charles P. Pierce
at 3:55PM

I expect we'll be hearing howls of outrage, and anguished cries for Liberty (!) from all the Republican contenders when word gets around that the NYPD apparently woke up one morning and decided it was the American Stasi. I expect we'll hear humble apologies from the people who laughed at the nervous-liberal slippery slope arguments about how unleashing the power of the U.S. intelligence apparatus on American Muslims invariably would result in that power's being loosed generally on people who disagreed with the government itself, and for any reason. I expect the president and his men will condemn this inexcuable abridgement of the Bill of Rights vigorously and vow to make whole its victims to the full extent of the law.

And then I expect to walk down to the banks of the Charles River and find a fortune in Aztec gold in a Stop-and-Shop bag....

The AP points out that the NYPD used these same tactics in 2004, when the department monitored church, environmental, and anti-war groups in the U.S., claiming these policies were necessary to prep for the GOP convention. But these methods continued far after the convention took place: in 2008, the NYPD's super-secret intel department sent an undercover officer to attend the People's Summit in New Orleans. The project report gathered information on two U.S. activists, journalist Jordan Flaherty and labor organizer Marisa Franco, the AP notes...The department has not commented directly on this issue, but has said previously that its tactics are necessary in the wake of September 11.

At its most basic, this is a local police force exercising an intelligence-gathering operation beyond all oversight and way out of its jurisdiction. How in the name of god does 9/11 justify spying on a convention in New Orleans seven years later? And, on a more general note, I'd like to live long enough to see the day when 9/11 no longer lives on simply as a free-range alibi for every authoritarian fantasy held by everybody who's hiding under the bed.


Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/nypd-spy-on-liberal-groups-7552703#ixzz1q8cq959P

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Charles Pierce asks the appropriate question: When Will 9/11 Stop Being an Alibi for Injustice? (Original Post) kpete Mar 2012 OP
A valuable man, Mr. Pierce pscot Mar 2012 #1
Recommend Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2012 #2
Short answer: Never malthaussen Mar 2012 #3
It ends when Americans feel like they've gotten their pound of flesh OmahaBlueDog Mar 2012 #4
Or to "export Adam Smith to the heathen" malthaussen Mar 2012 #5
rec. KG Mar 2012 #6
When pigs fly, because that alibi works so well for TPTB, fascism - the new democracy. mother earth Mar 2012 #7
9/11 has become the perfect whore... whyzayker Mar 2012 #8

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
3. Short answer: Never
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:57 AM
Mar 2012

The terrorism meme is the Communist meme for the 21st century. That one didn't stop being used until there were no Communists to kick around anymore.

-- Mal

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
4. It ends when Americans feel like they've gotten their pound of flesh
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:18 AM
Mar 2012

Last edited Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:29 PM - Edit history (1)

..so in a sense, I agree - never.

Getting Bin Laden helped, but this isn't WWII, where we got to witnesss Berlin in ruins, Mussolini being hanged upside down and shot, and two Japanese cities disappearing into atomic mushroom clouds. Americans cannot get such a complete and satisfying revenge for the Pentagon, the Twin Towers, United 93, and the several thousands of lost lives.

Now we've pulled out of Iraq (where we had no business going in the first place), and we're pulling out of Afghanistan. Conservatives view this as '73 all over again, when we negotiated peace and pulled out of South Vietnam, only to have the North overrun it in '75. Their vision for America is that of the new Rome - imposing our will to make the world safe for democracy, consumer spending, and multinational corporations.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
5. Or to "export Adam Smith to the heathen"
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:26 AM
Mar 2012

... as one British PM supposedly put it. About Afghanistan, as it happens.

-- Mal

whyzayker

(2,149 posts)
8. 9/11 has become the perfect whore...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:17 PM
Mar 2012

...for those that will continue to pimp for power and profit. Shameful.

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