Economic anxiety triggers tribalism. I'm ok with government programs, etc... but if you can make me feel they might be a wasteful and inefficient way to spend MY tax dollars, THEN you can get me to hate them by suggesting that people outside my tribe are benefitting from the waste.

anxiety. Analysis can be complicated and racism is intertwined in our society in more subtle yet deeply persistent ways.

There are other factors that resulted in Clinton losing, the electoral college issue should finally be dealt with once and for all. She won the popular vote, Trump will never be able to take that accomplishment from her and more importantly, Americans did reject him on that score.

Socialist economic policies do not address or reduce racism, misogyny and xenophobia. The golden age of labor in the U.S. was only golden for white men, and was made possible in large part by making it legally possible exclude anyone but white men from well paying jobs.

See also: McCarthyism, Jim Crow, the rise of NeoNazis in Sweden and Germany.

Bigotry perpetuates economic injustice, and no economic justice will happen until bigotry is addressed.

Raising the minimum wage means nothing to someone who is legally barred from a workplace due to sexual orientation. No universal health care will eliminate the school to prison pipeline, or stop the killing of unarmed black men.

Its a mistake to think one needs to separate them as part of any political platform.

Without safeguards, and sometimes to the detriment of the disabled, single parents, etc.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211105417

When school desegregation was made the law of the land, there wasn't a economic policy aspect to it. It was social justice, and getting all kids access to a good public education was the point. That, in turn allowed for more children of color to get the opportunity for basic education, and down the road allowed for some benefit financially.

However, until the civil rights act, that expanded public education didn't help POC get into occupations where employers were allowed to exclude them.

It wasn't until Jim Crow laws were overturned that POC could vote in candidates that would create more opportunties for them.

It's a mistake to think that social justice issues do not merit their own legislative priority apart from economic justice issues. That is ignoring the collective experience and wisdom of POC.

allowing those civil rights to lapse without a fight by Sanders?

provides an example of legislation that intends to reduce economic injustice, but would in actuality incentivize employers to not hire the disabled and people with disabled children.


Is that clearer?

And in response to your earlier post - Hillary Clinton won the vote. The office was refused to her by the electoral college.

another mess again.

That analysis is not exactly without bias:

Humorously, the CBPP — which receives at least $2 million from the Walmart foundation, one of the targets of the legislation — also claimed the bill “could prompt corporate lobbying efforts to cut assistance programs.” The “could” is the funny part. Such lobbying has already been going on every day for decades. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-amazon-bezos-725282/

But since you brought it up...

The smearing of the CBPP as being somehow biased against Sanders or in the can for Walmart for having the audacity to analyze legislation written by Sanders shows a lack of critical thinking when it comes to actually researching the source before proclaiming it biased.

From the link I shared:

Also, scientists say that a continual push for economic growth cannot be sustained on a finite planet. The environment also comes into play.

As for HRC losing, I doubt she did, she's just not president, but only history will be able to tell the tale.

McDonald’s Workers Are Striking Against Sexual Harassment — Tying #MeToo to Their Labor Struggle

When Kimberly Lawson was first sexually harassed while working at McDonald’s in Kansas City, she did exactly what she was supposed to do. A co-worker, she said, had hit on her “constantly,” made lewd comments, and touched her inappropriately. “I filed a complaint, but nothing was done,” said the 25-year-old single mother of one. “He kept working on the same shifts as me.” When Lawson’s shift manager also began tormenting her with verbal sexual remarks, she didn’t even bother filing a complaint.

Galvanized by experiences like these, Lawson, who earns $9 an hour, joined with McDonald’s workers from 10 cities to organize a daylong strike on Tuesday. It will be the first nationwide strike specifically targeting sexual harassment in the workplace. The labor action also charts a new course for #MeToo, which has mostly featured women in high-profile and white collar industries. The strike marks a notable step toward shifting #MeToo into a movement inclusive of — and organized by — low-wage workers against corporate America. Coordinated as a part of the Fight for $15 movement, the strike makes clear that the battle against sexual harassment and assault is inextricable from a broader labor struggle.

https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/mcdonalds-strike-sexual-harassment-me-too/

I would expect that claim from the Intercept, though.

Again - the "golden" age of labor in the U.S. was made possible by the legality of excluding women and POC from the well-paying jobs.

I, for one, do not believe the argument that social justice issues will be "made right" when white working class men are making what they believe they should be making. In fact, if the 40s' through the 70's are any indication, things might be worse for social justice issues.

Gains for labor don't "trickle down" to social justice.

And it was the Intercept exerpt in your own post that I'm referring to:

Next....

are in sharp contrast to the strikers. They know what they're fighting for and do not need to separate their rights. A win, win.

You are ascribing to me presumptions that are not valid, and not supported by my posts.

You are trying to say that I'm talking about the strikers, because you don't like what I have to say about the Intercept, and the notion that economic justice and social justice deserve separate consideration by Democrats, and not subbordinating/rolling in social justice issues as a subheading to labor or economic justice issues by, about and for the white working class male's priorities.

Is that clearer?

is what The Intercept is doing and whatever beef you have with them is irrelevant to the causes, plural, the strikers are
working towards.

The OP has been derailed enough, take care and I'll leave you to have the last word.

That's not your decision to make.

It bothered you enough to try to derail what I was saying by misrepresenting my posts more than once.

May I suggest that you use the ignore feature to spare you the frustration of other people's thoughts on a topic, especially when those thoughts are about the actual text in your actual post?

Or even simply just not responding, and thereby stopping the discussion that you claim is "derailing?"

or understandable for minorities to hate white people for the government using THIER tax dollars on a majority whites or are you understanding with urban dwellers or states like CA or NY hating everyone in the rural red states because they seem to be the biggest benefactor of what is judged a waste?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/16/the-biggest-beneficiaries-of-the-government-safety-net-working-class-whites/?utm_term=.084597598473

So resolving economic justice issues will not neccessarily resolve social justice issues and nationalism, tribalism, etc.

For examples of this you have to do is look at European countries where socialized economic politcies are in place.

https://www.thelocal.se/20180817/neo-nazi-nmr-runs-in-swedish-election-for-the-first-time

https://www.bi.edu/research/business-review/articles/2017/03/gender-parity-we-are-not-there/

https://www.internations.org/germany-expats/guide/29460-safety-security/sexism-xenophobia-racism-in-germany-16012

Time to talk about paid speeches and Obamacare don't forget those ranters that help tell myths from the other end .
According to the report, the folks who increasingly do working class jobs—African Americans and Hispanics—are more likely (40 and 44 percent, respectively) than white working Americans (32 percent) to express concern about their financial circumstances.

Economic anxiety, therefore, is even more prevalent among the minority working class—a point obscured by stereotypes about the “working class” in political rhetoric.
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/12/who-is-working-class-in-3-infographics/547559/
They need a new shtick imo because in 10 yrs minorities will make up the majority of working class

Laws should make it easier for these workers to join together in unions, as past and current union organizing has contributed greatly to the increase in the quality of industrial jobs.

middle class whites who will buy corp propaganda easily because of added racism imo

too.

Women have outnumbered men for decades, if not centuries. That doesn't guarantee a place at the table.

Women make up the majority of college graduates now, it's just a matter of time before their presence increases in government. 2018 could be a landmark year in that regard.

And like I said, just because a population is more numerous doesn't mean they will see themselves represented.

In this group I used to hang out with, the most virulent Trump supporters had actually done pretty well for themselves during the Obama years whereas the one person who had been most economically beaten up in that period was either apolitical or an under-the-radar Hillary supporter.

along those lines? I will never forget the racist attacks on Obama, never.

Greenwald is going to have them "disappeared" if they aren't careful

They're not a group think, but I hear what you're saying.

They're also in love with deregulation too, so across the board they anger me. Climate change is fake news to these people, its incredible the brain washing. For other cons who know better, its the greed that takes precedent over the good of the planet/people.

Even his economic message oozed racial animosity, particularly on trade.

As for the economic anxiety card, it's bullshit. I could have bought this argument in 2008 or even 2012, but not 2016. With the country at full employment? California was hit harder by the Great Recession than any rust belt state, yet it rejected Cheeto by an overwhelming margin. Trump's phony populism didn't resonate at all here.