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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:04 AM Oct 2018

Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting is a Moment of Reckoning for American Jews


To support Trump now is to say that his pro-Israel policies are more important than his enflaming of anti-Semitism.

Jay Michaelson
10.27.18 11:44 PM ET

After the 9/11 attacks, Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres said that countries now had to choose between fighting terror and abetting it, that there was no neutral ground. In his metaphor, you were either sitting in the smoking section, or the no-smoking section.

In the wake of the worst attack on Jews in American history, all of us, but especially American Jews like me, face a similar decision. We either support Donald Trump and the movement of hate he has unleashed, or we oppose it. There is no neutral ground, no justification that the benefits outweigh the costs. You’re in the smoking section, or the no-smoking section.

For American Jews in particular, this is a moment of reckoning. In the Jewish community, support for Trump is lower than it has been for most Republican presidents, but it’s still around 21 percent. The majority of Jewish Trump supporters are either Orthodox or right-wing on Israel—in most cases, both. Among Orthodox Jews—who comprise about one-fifth of American Jews—support for Trump runs as high as 90 percent.

For two years, Jewish Trump supporters have said that the anti-Semitic alt-right isn’t Trump’s fault; that the president is not personally anti-Semitic (after all, his daughter and son-in-law are Jewish); and, most importantly, he has been a staunch supporter for Israel.

This, they say, outweighs whatever reservations we may have about Trump and the bigotry of his most ardent supporters.

As of October 27, 2018, that jig is up.

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Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting is a Moment of Reckoning for American Jews (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2018 OP
90% support from the orthodox?!!?!! Lucky Luciano Oct 2018 #1
Orthodox Jews, especially ultra-Orthodox, DavidDvorkin Oct 2018 #4
I suspect many of their kids won't stay in that community. elleng Oct 2018 #5
One can hope so DavidDvorkin Oct 2018 #6
The problem is the 21% of American Jews who support trump are not going to change. still_one Oct 2018 #2
+1 dalton99a Oct 2018 #3

DavidDvorkin

(19,481 posts)
4. Orthodox Jews, especially ultra-Orthodox,
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:37 PM
Oct 2018

are politically identical to Evangelicals. They're extremely similar culturally, too.

Unfortunately, they also produce more babies than other American Jews, who tend to have a low birthrate, meaning that in the future, they'll dominate the American Jewish community.

DavidDvorkin

(19,481 posts)
6. One can hope so
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 11:33 PM
Oct 2018

But some ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) communities are doing what they can to keep the kids brainwashed, including setting up their own ISPs and cellphone networks so that they can control the kids' access to the outside world.

still_one

(92,325 posts)
2. The problem is the 21% of American Jews who support trump are not going to change.
Sun Oct 28, 2018, 08:55 AM
Oct 2018

They have the same mindset as Netanyahu. Anti-Semitism doesn't bother them if it comes from what they consider their political allies.

Netanyahu has no problem with leaders such as Trump, Putin, or Viktor Orban of Hungary, regardless of whether they are anti-Semitic. He has never criticized trump for ignoring or encouraging white supremacy in the U.S., and endorsed Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, despite the fact that Kurz's coalition includes the "Freedom Party", which is a neo-Nazi party.

Taking the Jewish demographic out of the equation, look at what the republican party has become today. It is essentially political party over country.

I think that is the same mindset that a small number within various minority communities hold. Clarence Thomas is a shining example of that.

The problem is once one starts down that road, you end up becoming the racist and bigot one abors, who doesn't have respect for democratic norms and institutions.









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