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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,471 posts)
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 11:24 AM Dec 2018

Today, @NYTOpinion launches 9-part series on personhood laws and the criminalization of pregnancy

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In the United States, pregnant women who fall down the stairs, who take legal drugs during pregnancy — drugs prescribed by their doctors — have been accused of endangering their children and charged with a felony. How did we get to this point?


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Today, @NYTOpinion launches 9-part series on personhood laws and the criminalization of pregnancy (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 OP
America hates women. madaboutharry Dec 2018 #1
Fall down the stairs, drink a glass of wine, & the woman is endangering an unborn human. CrispyQ Dec 2018 #2
Good On Them colsohlibgal Dec 2018 #3
Virginia Republican Says A Pregnant Woman Is Just A 'Host,' Though 'Some Refer To Them As Mothers' UpInArms Dec 2018 #4
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2018 #5

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
2. Fall down the stairs, drink a glass of wine, & the woman is endangering an unborn human.
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 11:53 AM
Dec 2018

But, if someone leaves their loaded gun where living, breathing children can get to them, well hey, that was just a mistake.

It's never been about the unborn & always about controlling women. I hope the author brings up the 13th Amendment.

The 13th Amendment and Abortion

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers

2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu

I. The basic argument
The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude. "6

Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
3. Good On Them
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 12:18 PM
Dec 2018

I totally agree with the quote by Rosie O’Donnell or someone like her that if men could get pregnant abortion clinics would be as common as 7-11s.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
4. Virginia Republican Says A Pregnant Woman Is Just A 'Host,' Though 'Some Refer To Them As Mothers'
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 12:40 PM
Dec 2018

02/24/2014

A pregnant woman is just a “host” that should not have the right to end her pregnancy, Virginia State Sen. Steve Martin (R) wrote in a Facebook rant defending his anti-abortion views.

Martin, the former chairman of the Senate Education and Health Committee, wrote a lengthy post about his opinions on women’s bodies on his Facebook wall last week in response to a critical Valentine’s Day card he received from reproductive rights advocates.

“I don’t expect to be in the room or will I do anything to prevent you from obtaining a contraceptive,” Martin wrote. “However, once a child does exist in your womb, I’m not going to assume a right to kill it just because the child’s host (some refer to them as mothers) doesn’t want it.” Martin then changed his post on Monday afternoon to refer to the woman as the “bearer of the child” instead of the “host.”


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/24/steve-martin-virginia_n_4847959.html

This POS later claimed to being “sarcastic”
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