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Today, @NYTOpinion launches 9-part series on personhood laws and the criminalization of pregnancy
StylinSteelSlatHat RetweetedA thread: Today, the @NYTOpinion Editorial Board launches our 9-part series on personhood laws and the criminalization of pregnancy. Couldn't be prouder of this work, put together by an extraordinarily talented team. Please read it. (1/x)
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In the United States, pregnant women who fall down the stairs, who take legal drugs during pregnancy drugs prescribed by their doctors have been accused of endangering their children and charged with a felony. How did we get to this point?
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Today, @NYTOpinion launches 9-part series on personhood laws and the criminalization of pregnancy (Original Post)
mahatmakanejeeves
Dec 2018
OP
Fall down the stairs, drink a glass of wine, & the woman is endangering an unborn human.
CrispyQ
Dec 2018
#2
madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)1. America hates women.
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)2. Fall down the stairs, drink a glass of wine, & the woman is endangering an unborn human.
But, if someone leaves their loaded gun where living, breathing children can get to them, well hey, that was just a mistake.
It's never been about the unborn & always about controlling women. I hope the author brings up the 13th Amendment.
The 13th Amendment and Abortion
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers
2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu
I. The basic argument
The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude. "6
Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers
2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu
I. The basic argument
The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude. "6
Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)3. Good On Them
I totally agree with the quote by Rosie ODonnell or someone like her that if men could get pregnant abortion clinics would be as common as 7-11s.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)4. Virginia Republican Says A Pregnant Woman Is Just A 'Host,' Though 'Some Refer To Them As Mothers'
02/24/2014
A pregnant woman is just a host that should not have the right to end her pregnancy, Virginia State Sen. Steve Martin (R) wrote in a Facebook rant defending his anti-abortion views.
Martin, the former chairman of the Senate Education and Health Committee, wrote a lengthy post about his opinions on womens bodies on his Facebook wall last week in response to a critical Valentines Day card he received from reproductive rights advocates.
I dont expect to be in the room or will I do anything to prevent you from obtaining a contraceptive, Martin wrote. However, once a child does exist in your womb, Im not going to assume a right to kill it just because the childs host (some refer to them as mothers) doesnt want it. Martin then changed his post on Monday afternoon to refer to the woman as the bearer of the child instead of the host.
Martin, the former chairman of the Senate Education and Health Committee, wrote a lengthy post about his opinions on womens bodies on his Facebook wall last week in response to a critical Valentines Day card he received from reproductive rights advocates.
I dont expect to be in the room or will I do anything to prevent you from obtaining a contraceptive, Martin wrote. However, once a child does exist in your womb, Im not going to assume a right to kill it just because the childs host (some refer to them as mothers) doesnt want it. Martin then changed his post on Monday afternoon to refer to the woman as the bearer of the child instead of the host.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/24/steve-martin-virginia_n_4847959.html
This POS later claimed to being sarcastic
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)5. K & R