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Thu Feb 28, 2019, 03:00 PM Feb 2019

The Identity Crisis Facing Both Republicans and Democrats -Seib

Sometimes the most momentous shifts in American life happen in plain sight, but in such slow motion that they aren’t fully appreciated until complete. Such a shift is happening right now with the country’s two major political parties. Both Republicans and Democrats are in the midst of—and in fact, may be near the end of—significant realignments that are altering who they are and what they stand for.

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The Democrats, once the party seen, at least in stereotype, as the home of lunch-pail, working-class union members in the Rust Belt, now are a party dominated by higher-educated, higher-income voters, particularly women, on the coasts, combined with progressive young voters and minorities. And the Republicans, once the party seen in stereotype as the party of the country club and the Chamber of Commerce, now are dominated by working-class and middle-class Americans, particularly men, as well as older citizens in exurban, small-town and rural America.

This shift is well illustrated by two groups my Journal colleagues have been tracking closely in recent years: college-educated white women, and men without a college degree. In the 1990s, these two groups voted almost identically: They were just right of center, almost in the middle of the political and ideological spectrum. Now they have veered off in dramatically different directions. Last fall, college-educated white women favored Democrats in House races by 33 percentage points, while white men without a college degree favored Republicans by 42 points. These two groups also are rough proxies for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump voters in the 2016 presidential elections.

As the rank-and-file has shifted, so has the geographical center of the two parties. Among Republicans, New York liberals and California conservatives once coexisted as powerful internal blocs. Indeed, since World War II, Republicans five times picked a presidential nominee from California (Richard Nixon three times, Ronald Reagan twice), and had a serious California contender as late as 1996 in former Gov. Pete Wilson. Twice they chose New York’s Thomas Dewey... Democrats, meanwhile, regularly nominated presidential candidates from the heartland and the South — Missouri’s Harry Truman, Texas’ Lyndon Johnson, South Dakota’s George McGovern, Georgia’s Jimmy Carter, Arkansas’ Bill Clinton, Tennessee’s Al Gore. Each of those states has since turned Republican red.

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And when the core of the party is older, working-class Americans, can Republicans really advocate cutting entitlements, as former House Speaker Paul Ryan did in the wake of a big tax cut? And for Democrats, can the party that increasingly represents wealthier Americans really be the party that stands for a 70% top tax rate and an across-the-board wealth tax on the most well-heeled? And can the party that considers climate change an existential threat really speak to the coal miners and auto workers that used to form part of its core constituency?

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-identity-crisis-facing-both-republicans-and-democrats-11551107674 (paid subscription)

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The Identity Crisis Facing Both Republicans and Democrats -Seib (Original Post) question everything Feb 2019 OP
No identity crisis for Democrats. Can wealthy Democrats still Squinch Feb 2019 #1
Yeah, we get it -- Politics are different than they were in the 70s or even the 90s... Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #2
The Democratic Party dugog55 Feb 2019 #3

Squinch

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1. No identity crisis for Democrats. Can wealthy Democrats still
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 03:21 PM
Feb 2019

support a 70% top tax rate? Why yes. And they do. Because they aren't money hoarding idiots.

Can they speak to coal miners? Apparently not, but fewer people work in coal than work in Wendy's. Though the WSJ doesn't seem to understand this, coal workers are NOT a constituency. They're a small group.

Republicans have sold their souls and will pay thw price. Democrats, though, are just.fine, thank you.

dugog55

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3. The Democratic Party
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 04:06 PM
Feb 2019

did not change, but the working class did. They bought into the Republican propaganda machine started by Reagan that minorities and immigrants were to blame for any problems they were having. And that striving for more money, bigger homes, better cars and consumerism at all costs was the most important thing in life. While all along it was his policies that changed the strong middle class into a struggling one. The people started listening to hate radio day after day, year after year, and they started to believe that Rush Limbaugh and later Fox News were right. After all, they all said the same lies over and over, they had to be truths.

I know, I saw it at work every day through the 80's and 90's. The Clintons were thieves and getting away with murder. That's when the Dems started to get painted as Elites, I guess because they to college? The Republicans through the Clinton years were no different than they are now, just more pronounced in their hatred for Americans.

I am not sure how to get them back, most everything they believe is not really true, so trying to persuade a delusional person is difficult at best, and maybe impossible. Perhaps when they suffer enough at the hands of the Repubs, they will come to their senses.

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