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Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 02:35 PM Jun 2019

The Boomers Ruined Everything

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/boomers-are-blame-aging-america/592336/

"The Baby Boomers ruined America. That sounds like a hyperbolic claim, but it’s one way to state what I found as I tried to solve a riddle. American society is going through a strange set of shifts: Even as cultural values are in rapid flux, political institutions seem frozen in time. The average U.S. state constitution is more than 100 years old. We are in the third-longest period without a constitutional amendment in American history: The longest such period ended in the Civil War. So what’s to blame for this institutional aging?

One possibility is simply that Americans got older. The average American was 32 years old in 2000, and 37 in 2018. The retiree share of the population is booming, while birth rates are plummeting. When a society gets older, its politics change. Older voters have different interests than younger voters: Cuts to retiree-focused benefits are scarier, while long-term problems such as excessive student debt, climate change, and low birth rates are more easily ignored."
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Clearly it correlates that the boomers screwed up America, but was it caused by boomers? I contend that Reagan Conservatism, not the boomers, are the ones who ruined everything. The article stresses that the boomers didn't invent the things that are causing problems but many areas became worse on their watch.

Check out this article. from yesterday(6/24/19) in The Atlantic. It's fairly serious and it has graphs demonstrating the contentions that:

1. Zoning regulations increased because boomers sought to protect their assets--making housing more expensive for younger people.

2. Licensing for jobs increased drastically beyond what is necessary. It is to protect the older generation's jobs requiring younger generations to get expensive sometimes unnecessary educations to get the job.

3. Jailing of people increased partly in reaction to the 1960s, 70s crime wave but it happened in other countries too and they don't incarcerate at this rate.

4. Debt and "state" intervention to require that it be paid back no matter the circumstances.

5. Young workers are dying and there are fewer of them. Who will cover social security costs?

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The Boomers Ruined Everything (Original Post) Democrats_win Jun 2019 OP
biggest mistake boomers made was having ungrateful children nt msongs Jun 2019 #1
Ha, very true! n/t customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #3
LOL-- one of my kids was going on about how great we had it and how bad it is for his generation-- dawg day Jul 2019 #26
Nothing like blaming everybody else, eh? Maybe one day your kid will realise the truth... SWBTATTReg Jul 2019 #37
Amen! redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #34
Drivel based on research from American Enterprise Institute DURHAM D Jun 2019 #2
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2019 #22
maga? what have boomers ruined that was so great? Triloon Jun 2019 #4
Amen to this. redstatebluegirl Jun 2019 #8
More divide and conquer on any subject anytime anywhere.. SAD!!! Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #5
those are the Republican boomers.. stillcool Jun 2019 #6
This. Exactly. JudyM Jun 2019 #23
In a word The Wizard Jun 2019 #7
58,220 "boomers" died in the Vietnam war. Thousands upon thousands protesting against it stopped emmaverybo Jun 2019 #9
THANK YOU. MBS Jun 2019 #12
Thank you for your service to the cause of justice, freedom, peace, and a better world. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #13
I was there. ChazInAz Jun 2019 #14
Thank you for fighting the good fight. And protests in the day were dangerous. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #15
Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were/are boomers. murielm99 Jun 2019 #10
"In my day, young whippersnapper, we were legally allowed only one phone per household!" dawg day Jul 2019 #38
This list does not contain everyone of note murielm99 Jul 2019 #39
Hey, I am definitely a boomer, and I didn't do anything to get blamed for this. BigDemVoter Jun 2019 #11
stereotyping is wrong, no matter who is doing it Skittles Jun 2019 #16
Don't throw all boomers in the same pile! Crowman2009 Jun 2019 #17
I like this article. Apple Fritter Jun 2019 #18
Worked in the Anti War Movement Since 1966 McKim Jun 2019 #19
The Scourge 'ruined everything,' now runs Wall St, DC, SV?/s Right.. appalachiablue Jun 2019 #20
A few boomers grew up in rich families - and most are even richer today FakeNoose Jun 2019 #21
"Not enough" for us--that is very true. Democrats_win Jul 2019 #25
At least 60% of the protestors at the Impeach Trump rally trev Jun 2019 #24
Atlantic's website gives two letters in response to the article. Democrats_win Jul 2019 #27
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Jul 2019 #30
I've been in the thick of activism nocoincidences Jul 2019 #28
Someone Put Up A Post Last Week Me. Jul 2019 #29
Back in the late 1990's a younger coworker Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #31
You are right. Boomers are split politically as any other generation. brush Jul 2019 #32
This is the latest in a series of hit pieces designed to pit generations against each other klook Jul 2019 #33
Yes and many are not smart enough to recognize it. redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #35
Licensing has increased Captain Zero Jul 2019 #36
The author of that piece (Lyman Stone) is a senior contributor at The Federalist lapucelle Jul 2019 #40

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
26. LOL-- one of my kids was going on about how great we had it and how bad it is for his generation--
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jul 2019

Saying I probably only had to pay a few thousand a year tuition for my college. I replied that was true, but I had to pay many thousands for HIS. He kind of forgot that part.

SWBTATTReg

(22,158 posts)
37. Nothing like blaming everybody else, eh? Maybe one day your kid will realise the truth...
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:14 PM
Jul 2019

Each generation has its own challenges...some rise up and accept and beat the challenges, some do not. I guess every generation has its ups and downs. Take care.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
2. Drivel based on research from American Enterprise Institute
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jun 2019

and designed to create riffs and separation.

F' them and this article.

Triloon

(506 posts)
4. maga? what have boomers ruined that was so great?
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 03:15 PM
Jun 2019

Generational bigotry is as ignorant and ugly as any other bigotry. Everything I ever did to promote social progress was resisted and blocked by conservatives. Don't fix the blame on Boomers when it all belongs on Conservatives, unless you want to replicate the mistakes and failures of the past.
But what do I know, I'm part of the generation that 'ruined everything'. Whatever that was..

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
8. Amen to this.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 04:25 PM
Jun 2019

I grow weary of the generational bigotry here and on other sites I frequent. Doesn't help one tiny bit and pisses me off totally!

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
9. 58,220 "boomers" died in the Vietnam war. Thousands upon thousands protesting against it stopped
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 04:53 PM
Jun 2019

it continuing by as much as three years. Many who fought in the war fought against it when they came back.

“Boomers” fought against the war on college campuses across the nation; four students died and nine were wounded during a mass protest against the escalation of the war, US military bombing Cambodia, at Kent State in the May Day Massacre.

“Boomers” white and black joined the black-led civil rights movement; “Boomers” helped register voters across the South, sometimes at peril to their lives.

“Boomers” brought us the women’s liberation movement.
“Boomers” brought us the gay rights movement.
“Boomers” launched the environmental movement.

“Each [movement], to varying degrees, changed government policy and, perhaps more importantly changed how almost every American lives today.”

http://www.lessonsite.com/ArchivePages/HistoryOfTheWorld/Lesson31/Protests60s.htm

MBS

(9,688 posts)
12. THANK YOU.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jun 2019

I am a proud boomer who has fought for all these causes all my life and I am so sick of this nonsensical and pointless trashing.

ChazInAz

(2,572 posts)
14. I was there.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:39 PM
Jun 2019

I had my limping, Hungarian ass in the streets trying to end the criminal lunacy of the Right Wing: the holdovers from the McCarthy Era, the Viet Nam War, the galloping fascism of Reagan and his heirs. Got beaten up by cops in Chicago during the '68 Democratic convention.
I was there for Civil Rights and the ERA.
When Malcolm X and Martin Luther King were murdered, I was in the streets.

murielm99

(30,761 posts)
10. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were/are boomers.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 05:19 PM
Jun 2019

You like your technology, younger generations? Would you like to go back to a world without it?

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
38. "In my day, young whippersnapper, we were legally allowed only one phone per household!"
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jul 2019

"And it was stuck to the WALL!"

murielm99

(30,761 posts)
39. This list does not contain everyone of note
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jul 2019

in the boomer generation, and there are some I could live without.

We have had to adapt to a changing culture far more than you realize.

But we have contributed quite a bit. My husband and I are still activists. We raised solid Democrats. They learned their activism and sense of civic responsibility from us.

Many members of the younger generations cannot even be bothered with voting.

http://www.boomerslife.org/boomers_social_leaders_actors_musicians_list.htm

BigDemVoter

(4,156 posts)
11. Hey, I am definitely a boomer, and I didn't do anything to get blamed for this.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jun 2019

In fact, I would say I am no more responsible for this shit than YOU are for our Pussy-Grabbing Pig in Chief.

As others have already written more than once, generational bigotry is no more attractive than it is with race, age, sex, sexual orientation, etc, etc, etc.

Skittles

(153,185 posts)
16. stereotyping is wrong, no matter who is doing it
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 08:39 PM
Jun 2019

the writer makes some points but it is disappointing she blames so many people

Crowman2009

(2,499 posts)
17. Don't throw all boomers in the same pile!
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 09:26 PM
Jun 2019

Especially the ones who were ahead of their time and did not waiver to the right for one instance.

Apple Fritter

(131 posts)
18. I like this article.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 11:24 PM
Jun 2019

I remember seeing a lot of similar articles like this too. It's good to explain that it's not the entire generation's fault too I mean they are a factor but not a cause. Generation X had not seen this coming and they were powerless to stop something like this. Collective ideas and values matter and there will be a power-shift eventually. It's just that we have to take care of every generation and the boomers are a huge population. We are a lot like Japan in this way with different problems.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
19. Worked in the Anti War Movement Since 1966
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 11:36 PM
Jun 2019

I am a boomer who worked in the Anti War and Civil Rights Movement and has been a Human Rights Advocate my whole life. I suggest that younger generations vote for a start and keep going out in the streets even if you don’t get what you want right away. The greatest tragedy of my life has been that our 1960’s Revolution did not succeed. I will never get over this heartbreak. Articles like this are meant to divide. I am so joyous about the leftward move of younger people More power to it!!! It is the entitled conservatives and fascists who are the real problem.

FakeNoose

(32,745 posts)
21. A few boomers grew up in rich families - and most are even richer today
Wed Jun 26, 2019, 09:28 AM
Jun 2019

... thanks to Ronald Reagan and the Repukes who came after him. It's the Repukes who gamed the system for their families, not the boomers. Look at how Fred Trump set his son Donald up for life - and that's how the one-per-centers fixed the system for their kids. But that's only a very small percentage of the Baby Boomer generation.

Most of us were screwed from the beginning. Our whole lives we've had to deal with too much competition from the huge numbers of us. There weren't enough schools for us, not enough jobs for us, not enough affordable housing for us, and pretty soon there won't be enough cemeteries for us.

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
25. "Not enough" for us--that is very true.
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jul 2019

Especially for those who were in the later years of the boomer generation. Heck in second grade I can remember my teachers talking about how there wouldn't be enough for us. Sometimes it was ok, but mostly, good jobs were hard to come by.

trev

(1,480 posts)
24. At least 60% of the protestors at the Impeach Trump rally
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:03 PM
Jun 2019

I attended were Boomers like me.

We have a long history of working for social change.

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
27. Atlantic's website gives two letters in response to the article.
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jul 2019

Everyone at DU had great responses to this article. As some mention, the article wrongly lumps all baby boomers together. I thought that you might enjoy one of the two responses to the article from the Atlantic's web site:

https://www.theatlantic.com/letters/archive/2019/07/boomers-are-not-blame-letters/592930/

"Lyman Stone misses entirely that plenty of Boomers are also have-nots in the woeful picture he paints, and many have battled and continue to battle the policies he laments. He also fails to note that many Boomers, like me, continue to help our Gen X, Y, and Z and Millennial kids in many ways. We pay off their college loans, keep their cellphones on our family plans, pay their car insurance, pick up unexpected car-repair and other bills, and provide money for vacations. Many of us do this while we’re also providing support for our Greatest Generation parents. I assure Mr. Stone that we are painfully aware that something has gone awry in our nation’s economy.

We know, however, that our age isn’t the problem: American economic attitudes and policies are. Since our country’s inception, policies have been designed to establish, widen, and protect race, class, and gender divides. Plenty of Boomers are on the self-protective economic bandwagon, along with people in Gen X, Y, and Z and plenty of Millennials. However, they’re not there because of their age—they’re there because they believe they have a right to more than the next person, especially if that next person is a person of color, a woman, or an immigrant. Greed and self-interest know no generational boundaries.

Margie Perscheid
Alexandria, Va.


Although I like the response, it doesn't entirely capture the feelings at DU especially when you consider the service to the country from Baby Boomers both in Vietnam and in stopping the war in Vietnam. Billy Joel's song, "We Didn't Start the Fire" still seems relevant. Although I ask, how can we say that now that we are in our 50s? But the power, the bigotry and greed of those who came before us was so powerful that some of us were "captured" while others fought back and still others suffered in their own ways. The true problem is with conservatism (small government?, trickle down economics?) is now a proven lie and will hopefully collapse.

nocoincidences

(2,229 posts)
28. I've been in the thick of activism
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:57 PM
Jul 2019

since the Sixties and Cesar Chavez and the UFW lettuce and grape boycotts. There was a point in my life when the only times I had ever been in Washington was after a long busride to march on it.

I am tired, but still trying. At least I can make phone calls for the Democratic party now.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
29. Someone Put Up A Post Last Week
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:57 PM
Jul 2019

which disputes a lot of this boomers are bad business. And I agree with you that things began a slow crumble with Reagan, who did more to harm this country except for the current occupant. It was during that time that drowning the gov. in a tub began to raise it's head.

Mme. Defarge

(8,041 posts)
31. Back in the late 1990's a younger coworker
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jul 2019

told me to my face that the country would be better off when the boomer generation died off.

brush

(53,841 posts)
32. You are right. Boomers are split politically as any other generation.
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jul 2019

Repug boomers along with others gave us trump, W, Daddy Bush and Reagan. Dem boomers gave us Obama, Clinton and Carter—almost Hillary Clinton except for Putin, repug vote suppressors and Comey so you are correct in blaming the convervative half of the cohort and not the whole.

GenXers and millennials are split too. You hear me, millennials? There are trumpers in your midst too.

klook

(12,165 posts)
33. This is the latest in a series of hit pieces designed to pit generations against each other
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:01 PM
Jul 2019

in service of destroying Social Security & Medicare, courtesy of right-wing “think” tanks. It’s complete horseshit, and I hope nobody here falls for this narrative.

Captain Zero

(6,823 posts)
36. Licensing has increased
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:09 PM
Jul 2019

But I think one big reason for it is the youngsters degrees not preparing them the ways ours did. Every licensing exam I took recently I got the highest score and some kids had to drop out of the organization for not passing it. Part of it is their phone it in, log on to it degrees from private for-profit outfits that really are not Universities. Another failure of capitalism turning out failures.

lapucelle

(18,309 posts)
40. The author of that piece (Lyman Stone) is a senior contributor at The Federalist
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:17 PM
Jul 2019

and a research fellow at the right wing Institute for Family Studies.

https://ifstudies.org/about/our-mission

In addition, given the fact that his entire argument is predicated on a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, it's hard to believe that anyone on DU would trust his conclusion.

https://ifstudies.org/about/our-mission

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