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mia

(8,361 posts)
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 10:21 AM Oct 2019

Blacks, too, judge each other by the color of their skin. How sick is that?

“If you’re white, you’re all right. If you’re brown, stick around. If you’re black, get back.”

- African-American folk saying

I was about to give a speech — I can’t remember when or even where — when this teacher brought a student up, hoping I could help her.

The teacher was white, and her student was a black girl, perhaps 13 or so, of painfully shy demeanor and very dark skin. The woman told me the child thought she was ugly because of her sable complexion. Could I say something to encourage her? I was stunned. Is this true? I asked the girl. Eyes down, she nodded and whispered that it was.

I have no memory of what I told her. I do remember feeling it wasn’t nearly enough. Then the event began and I had to go. We didn’t speak again, but I’ve never forgotten that child. She is brought freshly to mind by “Sulwe,” a new children’s book by Academy Award-winning actress Lupita Nyong’o.

“Sulwe,” the book begins, “was born the color of midnight. She looked nothing like her family. Not even a little, not even at all. Mama was the color of dawn., Baba, the color of dusk and Mich, her sister, was the color of high noon.” Sulwe gets teased a lot. Kids call her “Blackie,” “Darky” and “Night.” At one point, she takes an eraser to her skin....


https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article236413273.html


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Blacks, too, judge each other by the color of their skin. How sick is that? (Original Post) mia Oct 2019 OP
Whites do the same. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2019 #1
Unfortunately this is true. dewsgirl Oct 2019 #2
the red headed step child, as Paul Begala would say appalachiablue Oct 2019 #3
I would have given anything to have red hair and light colored eyes! TruckFump Oct 2019 #8
Are you a woman, perchance? Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2019 #9
It's admired in girls DavidDvorkin Oct 2019 #11
Yes, I am female. TruckFump Oct 2019 #14
The tv show Rebl2 Oct 2019 #4
I was aware of that nonsense in America, but she experienced it in Kenya. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2019 #6
We often think that those we don't know are better or worse than those we don't know. Igel Oct 2019 #12
Frank Joins the Club PSPS Oct 2019 #5
This is also an issue in India. Collimator Oct 2019 #7
My understanding is that ginger-prejudice goes along Igel Oct 2019 #13
Never heard that about wild 'Northeners,' interesting. But there's appalachiablue Oct 2019 #15
I've encountered that among Punjabis, biased against 'southern, appalachiablue Oct 2019 #16
India is the most racist country in the world. Mosby Oct 2019 #17
There was a Spike Lee movie about how blacks segregated by skin color called school daze kimbutgar Oct 2019 #10
my uncle and great grandma were both from Norway EricaGriswoldAuthor Oct 2019 #18
What an intelligent, beautiful & accomplished woman Lupita is appalachiablue Oct 2019 #19

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
1. Whites do the same.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 10:49 AM
Oct 2019

I had red hair and freckles for a few years in elementary school, and I experienced far more social abuse during that period than during my previous blonde-haired and later brown-haired life.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
8. I would have given anything to have red hair and light colored eyes!
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:55 AM
Oct 2019

I always felt my brown hair and brown eyes were boring as hell and I envied a friend with beautiful red hair and green eyes. So beautiful to me.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
9. Are you a woman, perchance?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 12:01 PM
Oct 2019

Girls with red hair didn't seem to be mistreated as much from what I recall.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
14. Yes, I am female.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 02:24 PM
Oct 2019

And...I was born in Ohio! (I assume that a Buckeye Dem is from Ohio.) My best friend in Junior High School when I lived in Ohio was the one with red hair and green eyes.

Rebl2

(13,521 posts)
4. The tv show
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:02 AM
Oct 2019

Blackish did a show on this last season. I’m so naive. I did not know this type of judgment existed among African Americans.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
12. We often think that those we don't know are better or worse than those we don't know.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:21 PM
Oct 2019

It's a kind of stereotyping.

Usually these days "stereotype" is like "discrimination," the only possible context is "racial". But we discriminate in all sorts of ways (it's often good, "to discriminate between healthy and unhealthy foods," for example) and stereotype constantly. When we assume all rich people are greedy or lazy, all (D) are virtuous, all Southerners racist, all Texans are "gun humpers" (as opposed to Northerner "blanket humpers," I guess).

You see how birds are brightly colored? At some point some group of female birds looked at the male birds and said, "We like bright blue this year. You dull blue and grey boy birds, you're gonna be incels. Buh-bye from the gene pool."

PSPS

(13,600 posts)
5. Frank Joins the Club
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:06 AM
Oct 2019

The short-lived but critically-acclaimed and award-winning 80's series "Frank's Place" with Tim Reid (post-WKRP) explored this in the episode, "Frank Joins the Club."


Collimator

(1,639 posts)
7. This is also an issue in India.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:51 AM
Oct 2019

I remember a movie in which the Indian characters talked about being "dark with no money" as the worst possible position to be in when looking for a husband.

The "ginger prejudice" against redheads is very strong in England from what I've read.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
13. My understanding is that ginger-prejudice goes along
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 01:23 PM
Oct 2019

with anti-Scot animus. They were the wild northerners, behind and backwards with their Pictish ways.

Imagine if US Southerners disproportionately had green eyes. We'd come to associate green eyes with Confederate sympathies. It's a shortcut in thinking.

appalachiablue

(41,143 posts)
15. Never heard that about wild 'Northeners,' interesting. But there's
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 05:48 PM
Oct 2019

Queen Eliz. I and her father Henry VIII who were redheads. I remember at work a British volunteer who first heard about the engagement of Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson and said, "but she's a redhead." Lol.

Mosby

(16,318 posts)
17. India is the most racist country in the world.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 06:25 PM
Oct 2019

1. India 43.6 64.3
2 Lebanon 36.3 64.4
3 Bahrain 31.1 85.7
4 Libya 54.0 33.5
5 Egypt N/A 39.7
6 Philippines 30.6 49.1
7 Kuwait 28.1 37.9
8 Palestine 44.0 32.0
9 South Africa 19.6 61.8
10 South Korea 29.6 36.5

https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/116644/the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/amp/

_________________

Anglo and Latin countries most tolerant.
India and Jordan by far the least tolerant.
Wide, interesting variation across Europe.
The Middle East not so tolerant. (Except Israel)
Racial tolerance low in diverse Asian countries.
South Korea, not very tolerant, is an outlier.
Pakistan, remarkably tolerant, also an outlier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

kimbutgar

(21,157 posts)
10. There was a Spike Lee movie about how blacks segregated by skin color called school daze
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 12:35 PM
Oct 2019

Of course I lived it. The worst prejudice as a very fair skinned black woman was from dark skinned black people. In high school I was called a white n word. I hated that I was light skinned and wished I could be all black or white. It was tough to navigate. Both my parents could have passed for white and there was no wearing my hair in an Afro ( my hair wasn’t kinky enough) My relatives from both sides were adamant against me acting ghetto. Some of the stuff I remember hearing from my relatives would be so inappropriate to say now.

I love that Lupita embraced her beauty!

18. my uncle and great grandma were both from Norway
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:50 PM
Oct 2019

My uncle was my great grandma's son.

He used to call her a gypsy because of her dark hair.

appalachiablue

(41,143 posts)
19. What an intelligent, beautiful & accomplished woman Lupita is
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 05:56 AM
Oct 2019

and she got the looks in the family hands down.

Thanks for posting this interview.

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