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riversedge

(70,337 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 06:38 PM Oct 2019

Trump's Defenders Are Now Attacking the Patriotism of a Purple Heart Officer

I think Repugs can not sink lower, yet they do!!


Trump’s Defenders Are Now Attacking the Patriotism of a Purple Heart Officer



https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/appalling-attack-alexander-vindman/601000/

Without substantive defenses of the president, and deprived of process complaints, Trump’s allies resort to toxic xenophobia and baseless accusations.
10:47 AM ET

Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman arrives for testimony on Capitol Hill today.Siphiwe Sibeko / Reuters

This article was updated on Tuesday, October 29 at 1:58 pm.

The White House can’t muster a substantive defense of President Donald Trump’s behavior regarding Ukraine. Democrats more or less gave way to Republican process complaints about impeachment on Monday. So with few other options left, Trump and his allies are returning to the mode that got him elected in the first place: toxic xenophobia.

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Monday evening, the opening statement from Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman was released to the press, ahead of his appearance before House investigators today. In another age, Vindman’s statement would be called a smoking gun, though by this stage the facts are clear enough that it adds little to the established record.

Vindman wrote that he heard Ambassador Gordon Sondland, Trump’s European Union envoy, demand that Ukrainians investigate Joe Biden’s family and that he told Sondland this was inappropriate. Moreover, he was listening to Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and was disturbed by Trump’s requests.

Read: An oral history of Trump’s bigotry

“I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained,” Vindman said. “This would all undermine U.S. national security.”


Vindman’s testimony sidesteps the whistle-blower complaint that kicked off this scandal. Unlike the whistle-blower, whose identity is still unknown, Vindman had firsthand knowledge of the call; he also complained up the chain of command.


Vindman would seem like a difficult witness to attack: a career soldier, an active-duty lieutenant colonel in the Army, a Purple Heart recipient for a wound from an IED in Iraq. Yet imagining that Trump’s allies might struggle to impugn Vindman badly overestimates their scruples.


Shortly after the statement was released, Laura Ingraham covered his story on her Fox News show..................................

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Trump's Defenders Are Now Attacking the Patriotism of a Purple Heart Officer (Original Post) riversedge Oct 2019 OP
Are they selling purple bandaids on Trump's website yet? TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #1
Vindman is credible on his own terms jberryhill Oct 2019 #2
Fair points ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #3
Absolutely jberryhill Oct 2019 #4
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. Vindman is credible on his own terms
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 06:58 PM
Oct 2019

To suggest that, categorically, a decorated military officer somehow can’t lie under oath is pretty short sighted, historically speaking.

You want a Purple Heart recipient lieutenant colonel who lied his ass off under oath?

Try this dipshit:



All witnesses need to be evaluated on their own terms, instead on the basis of a decorated uniform.
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. Fair points ...
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 07:14 PM
Oct 2019

Big diff here though is that the Right can't even come up with any reasonable explanation as to why the man would be lying.

Oh, he's born in Ukraine so maybe has 'allegiance' to them? Okay, let's say this were true. In what way does his testimony HELP ... his supposed masters?

I mean, it's not even remotely sensible as an argument, but they'll throw that bullshit out there to see if it somehow sticks.

They're so pathetic at this point.

IIRC, North was in personal danger of trouble if he told the truth, given he was personally part of the planning of the crime(s). There's no such suspicion nor reason to lie in Vindman's case.

On top of that his testimony corroborates that of a number of other people we know of.

IOW, even if we don't know much about the man apart from his uniform/service, looking at the totality of the situation, the LIKELIHOOD of his testifying to a bunch of lies, under oath to Congress ... logically seems extremely low.

MUCH less so than Ollie's, that's for sure.

Just sayin'

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Absolutely
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 08:18 PM
Oct 2019

Hence it is completely unnecessary to engage in the “a man in uniform never lies” bullshit.
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