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nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 05:55 AM Dec 2019

The millennium bug was real - and 20 years later we face the same threats

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/31/millennium-bug-face-fears-y2k-it-systems

The millennium bug was real – and 20 years later we face the same threats

Martyn Thomas

Tue 31 Dec 2019 09.00 GMT

On New Year’s Eve 20 years ago, Scottish air traffic controllers called the emergency room in London to say their radar had failed as they could see no aircraft. The radar was actually working perfectly. All flights had been cancelled because of fears that planes or airports would fail at midnight because of the “millennium bug”. Around the world, plenty of other people were anxious too.
(snip)

The millennium bug was real and the internationally coordinated effort was a great success. Tens of thousands of failures were prevented. Some suppliers took advantage and sold unnecessary upgrades to their customers, but those of us who worked days, nights and weekends to meet the hard deadline of December 1999 are angered when ignorant people think that because we succeeded, the threat was not serious.

Y2K should be seen as a warning of the danger that arises when millions of independent systems might fail because of a single event. But this lesson has not been learned. Today, millions of systems rely on the GPS signal to provide the accurate timing, positioning and navigation on which our communications, defence, financial systems and food supplies depend. Yet the GPS signal is easy to jam and could be disabled for days or weeks by a major solar storm. Today, so many computer systems use the same software that a single cyberattack could spread rapidly and cause chaos. And 20 years ago, we did not have automated just-in-time supply chains with their much greater vulnerability.

Twenty years ago we showed that committed international action could overcome a critical threat. We shall need that commitment again.
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The millennium bug was real - and 20 years later we face the same threats (Original Post) nitpicker Dec 2019 OP
I finally clicked through. Not about the 2038 bug. Whole point is in 2nd last paragraph you provide. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2019 #1
It's not about 2038, just the fragility of IT in general Recursion Dec 2019 #2
Thanks. I just clicked through finally and you're right. Will edit my post. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2019 #4
The 2038 problem is going to be immense Recursion Dec 2019 #3
Link to Wikipedia re the 2038 problem nitpicker Dec 2019 #5
Thanks! Recursion Dec 2019 #6
I smell "Y2K Bug 2.0..." Archae Dec 2019 #7
You have not read the article. It seems bullshit TO YOU because of lots of hard work preventing it. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2019 #9
We tested and tested and tested. California_Republic Dec 2019 #10
Amazing GPS problem bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #8
The problem was real, but DavidDvorkin Dec 2019 #11

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,052 posts)
1. I finally clicked through. Not about the 2038 bug. Whole point is in 2nd last paragraph you provide.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 07:21 AM
Dec 2019

Last edited Tue Dec 31, 2019, 08:05 AM - Edit history (1)


Kind of poorly written (in the large, well written when taken sentence by sentence) and the headline does not deliver the tease that it might be about the 2038 date rollover. Article should have spent more time on the threat it is warning about and less on the history he was personally involved in.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. It's not about 2038, just the fragility of IT in general
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 07:44 AM
Dec 2019

My small town's cemetery had a Y2K problem: couples had pre-purchased joint monuments, and the surviving partner's name was followed by "1921-19 ".

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. The 2038 problem is going to be immense
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 07:46 AM
Dec 2019

Not the subject of the article, but I always try to get the word out.

UNIX-derived systems count time in seconds since midnight January 1, 1970. The problem is that for 32-bit systems that rolls over in 2038. And the even bigger problem is that every computer and phone and watch is fixed already, but the millions and millions of little gadgets out there are not, and for the most part can't be. But some of those gadgets are doing things like keeping the power grid running.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,052 posts)
9. You have not read the article. It seems bullshit TO YOU because of lots of hard work preventing it.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 08:59 AM
Dec 2019

The fact that you think it was bullshit is because the huge effort to avoid it was successful.

It's like anti-vaxxers saying vaccination is bullshit because there are no epidemics or pandemics of those diseases (though there are isolated outbreaks).

DavidDvorkin

(19,499 posts)
11. The problem was real, but
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 12:23 PM
Dec 2019

it was also hugely overhyped by companies selling solutions to it. Some old code had to be fixed, and it was fixed with great effort, but a lot of companies were running the old code that had the problem, and they experienced no major problems because of it.

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