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lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:04 AM Jan 2020

The Clean Water Act was a staggering bipartisan achievement. Now Trump is gutting it

theguardian.com

This is the single largest loss of clean water protections that America has ever seen – and the timing couldn’t be worse. It may be hard to remember these days, but the nation that led the world on to the stage of modern environmental protection was the United States.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/29/clean-water-act-bipartisan-trump

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The Clean Water Act was a staggering bipartisan achievement. Now Trump is gutting it (Original Post) lordsummerisle Jan 2020 OP
Everything Trump Touches Dies PJMcK Jan 2020 #1
Sadly that will also include Kaiserguy Jan 2020 #3
Trump is working on the destruction of America from the inside. Botany Jan 2020 #2
Yup. 2naSalit Jan 2020 #4
He is paying back Putin by trying to crash America. Botany Jan 2020 #5
+1 2naSalit Jan 2020 #7
Funny I can't get the link to work .... a must read ... I'll pmail it to you Botany Jan 2020 #8
It's the @ that breaks it. Saviolo Jan 2020 #16
Yup. But we're "snowflakes". MH1 Jan 2020 #10
Randy Newman wrote "Burn On" about Cleveland's Cuyahoga River LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2020 #6
But.Her.Emails. :( MH1 Jan 2020 #9
i just don't understand this form of Executive orders RicROC Jan 2020 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ Jan 2020 #17
Not just any president--Nixon was a Republican. CaptYossarian Jan 2020 #22
They redefined what water is protected. Dishonest and disingenuous as hell. CrispyQ Jan 2020 #27
Much of what Trump does makes me think of the movie Elysium. Lonestarblue Jan 2020 #12
You are not wrong. CrispyQ Jan 2020 #20
Putin hates America, it's getting more obvious with every NoMoreRepugs Jan 2020 #13
Maybe he wants to be slumlord for an entire nation. CaptYossarian Jan 2020 #23
Sadness, my freshman year in college I did a paper on PL 92-500, the Clean Water Act. To allow c-rational Jan 2020 #14
Nah. The 1% will always have Perrier. CaptYossarian Jan 2020 #24
There should be ads targeting sportsmen/women everywhere Ferrets are Cool Jan 2020 #15
So shameful to gut the Clean Water Act that has been in force since the 1970s. GAH. nt iluvtennis Jan 2020 #18
Will Republicans ever wake up? Delmette2.0 Jan 2020 #19
I see Putin's name associated with this but who are the special interests here in the US that stand jalan48 Jan 2020 #21
The chemical and plastics manufacturers like Dow and Monsanto. CaptYossarian Jan 2020 #25
Thanks for this info. I think the knee jerk, "Putin's behind it all" answer is a mistake. It gives jalan48 Jan 2020 #26
When it comes to our fossil fools, I sometimes use OILgarchs. CaptYossarian Jan 2020 #28

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
16. It's the @ that breaks it.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:21 AM
Jan 2020

DU's link parser can't deal with some characters if you just pop the link in. Oddly enough, if you use the link button, you can make it work like this.

6. Randy Newman wrote "Burn On" about Cleveland's Cuyahoga River
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:40 AM
Jan 2020

where the water pollution got so bad the river caught fire.



I guess it's time to dig out my copy of his album, "Sail Away," which is so old it's vinyl. Now if only I can find my record player...

I'll put it on my bookshelf next to Rick Wilson's book, Everything Trump Touches Dies.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
11. i just don't understand this form of Executive orders
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jan 2020

I just don't understand how one person, in this case the person posing as the President, can gut legislation voted on by both sides of Congress and signed by a previous President.

While I understand how previous executive orders may be altered, but what about sealed and signed laws.

Response to RicROC (Reply #11)

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
22. Not just any president--Nixon was a Republican.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jan 2020

He also signed the Clean Air Act and established the EPA.

One of his Supreme Court appointees, Harry Blackmun, was the tiebreaking vote FOR Roe v. Wade.

(I love telling neocons that info. Really makes their unused heads spin.)

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
27. They redefined what water is protected. Dishonest and disingenuous as hell.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jan 2020
The law’s main mechanism is simple: before discharging waste into the nation’s waters, polluters must first try to clean it up.

So how did the former lobbyists running the agencies sabotage the act? By radically shrinking it. By its terms, the act only protects waters “of the United States”. But according to this administration, waters “of” the United States does not mean waters in the United States. In their view, the Clean Water Act only applies to a subset of waters, and the rest are unprotected.

The scope of the contraction is staggering. In some states out west, 80% of stream miles would lose their protection. Drinking water sources for millions of Americans would be at risk from pollution. The administration’s redefinition would leave millions of acres open for destruction – wetlands that buffer communities from storms, serve as homes for wildlife and nurseries for fish and shellfish, and act as natural water filters.

This is the single largest loss of clean water protections that America has ever seen. And the timing couldn’t be worse. From lead contamination in drinking water to the proliferating threat of toxic industrial chemicals, new threats to water quality are emerging daily.


Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
12. Much of what Trump does makes me think of the movie Elysium.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:30 AM
Jan 2020

It’s a few years old, but set in a dystopian future where the wealthy have trashed the Earth and built their own paradise in a space station above the earth. Here’s a description from a movie review site.

“The film is set in 2154, when the planet has been ravaged by disease, pollution, and overpopulation. The wealthiest now live on a space station called Elysium, which can be seen in the clouds from Earth below. Max (Matt Damon) has grown up watching Elysium from his rundown, largely Latino L.A. neighborhood. A reformed car thief now working in a grueling factory job—he's lucky to have it, he's sneeringly informed—Max is trying to keep things together in a society openly rigged against the poor.

On this space "habitat," we follow the defense secretary (Jodie Foster), who offers a vigorous defense of her right to use unlimited force to benefit the liberty of a few. In a not-so-subtle commentary on the immigration debate, she shoots down refugees who try to land.”

This feels like the Trump policy toward everything: destroy anyone who gets in his way (the media and anyone who goes against him), transfer wealth to the already wealthy, ensure health care only for the wealthy, rape our lands for the sake of corporate profits, and maintain total control over all decisions affecting the people not on Elysium. The difference I see from the movie is that with no change in how we do things, this situation will appear long before 2154, maybe a hundred years before.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
20. You are not wrong.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:35 AM
Jan 2020

21st Century Feudalism is their plan. Antarctica will be their Elysium. And perhaps some far northern areas, as well. The rest of us can battle for the scant resources left in the scorched out/drowned out regions. The trajectory isn't looking good for most of humanity.

c-rational

(2,594 posts)
14. Sadness, my freshman year in college I did a paper on PL 92-500, the Clean Water Act. To allow
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:00 AM
Jan 2020

the destrucion of your enviornment is to allow the destrution of yourself.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,107 posts)
15. There should be ads targeting sportsmen/women everywhere
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jan 2020

it is an issue they are passionate about regardless of partisanship.

edited to add: and use this after describing WHO is gutting the Clean Water Act:

On Earth Day, 1971, nonprofit organization Keep America Beautiful launched what the Ad Council would later call one of the “50 greatest commercials of all time.” Dubbed “The Crying Indian,” the one-minute PSA features a Native American man paddling down a junk-infested river, surrounded by smog, pollution, and trash; as he hauls his canoe onto the plastic-infested shore, a bag of rubbish is tossed from a car window, exploding at his feet. The camera then pans to the Indian’s cheerless face just as a single tear rolls down his cheek.

Delmette2.0

(4,166 posts)
19. Will Republicans ever wake up?
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:33 AM
Jan 2020

They just can't see that -45 does not care about them. He knows he can throw $10,000 at their campaign fund, promise more $$ and then piss all over their state. That includes every state down wind or down stream if -45 can make money off the deal.

It's called a deal because it is a backroom agreement, not an open discussion in Congress with public comments and expert testimony.



jalan48

(13,870 posts)
21. I see Putin's name associated with this but who are the special interests here in the US that stand
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:46 AM
Jan 2020

to benefit financially from these rules changes? My guess is they are the ones really responsible.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
25. The chemical and plastics manufacturers like Dow and Monsanto.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 12:24 PM
Jan 2020

Don't forget, Senator Ron Johnson (R-eally stupid) owns a plastics factory in Oshkosh. He purchased it with his wife's family's wealth.

And then we have the fossil fuel fools with their off-shore drilling and leaky pipelines. They need some lovin' too.

Maybe WE need our life back--not just that BP douche.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
26. Thanks for this info. I think the knee jerk, "Putin's behind it all" answer is a mistake. It gives
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jan 2020

our own corporations and oligarchs cover for Presidential/Congressional actions they are responsible for.

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