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appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:31 PM Mar 2020

Germany's Low Coronavirus Mortality Rate Intrigues Experts

'Germany's low coronavirus mortality rate intrigues experts.' Some query data methodology while others say high testing rates are giving more accurate picture. The Guardian, March 22, 2020. Experts:

Germany’s relatively low mortality rate continues to intrigue experts as Covid-19 spreads across Europe, with some questioning the methodology behind its data gathering while others argue the country’s high testing rates allow a more accurate approximation of the threat posed by the novel coronavirus.

While the pandemic has hit Germany with full force, with Johns Hopkins University noting 22,364 confirmed infections by Sunday morning, only 84 people are so far reported to have died.

This means Germany currently has the lowest mortality rate of the 10 countries most severely hit by the pandemic: 0.3% compared with 9% in Italy and 4.6% in the UK.

The contrast with Italy is especially surprising because the two countries have the highest percentage of citizens aged 65 or over in Europe. If anything, the Bloomberg Global Health Index would suggest Italians have a healthier lifestyle than Germans.

...“It’s too early to say whether Germany is better medically prepared for the Covid-19 pandemic than other countries,” said Marylyn Addo, who heads the infectiology department at Hamburg’s University Medical Centre.

One likely explanation for the discrepancy in figures, Addo suggested, was that while northern Italy’s hospitals are being overrun with new patients, Germany’s are not yet at full capacity and have had more time to clear beds, stock up on equipment and redistribute personnel.

“One advantage Germany has is that we started doing professional contact tracing when the first cases were reported,” Addo said. “It bought us some time to prepare our clinics for the coming storm.”

Crucially, Germany started testing people even with milder symptoms relatively early on, meaning the total number of confirmed cases may give a more accurate picture of the virus’s spread than in other states.

According to Germany’s National Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians, the country has capacity for about 12,000 Covid-19 tests per day, while Wieler has claimed it has capacity for 160,000 tests per week...

Read More, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts

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Germany's Low Coronavirus Mortality Rate Intrigues Experts (Original Post) appalachiablue Mar 2020 OP
In other words, not run by Trump, Boris or some other bumbling idiot robbedvoter Mar 2020 #1
+ Bolsonaro, the terrible trio appalachiablue Mar 2020 #3
Please tell me it's the apple strudel or their beer! I have no problem ramping up my consumption. n/ brewens Mar 2020 #2
The apple beer they like might kill the virus kimbutgar Mar 2020 #4
That only works if you have a bratwurst with it. nt hvn_nbr_2 Mar 2020 #7
We are seeing what a Pro Active Wellstone ruled Mar 2020 #5
There's no claim that the actual death rate is any lower. Igel Mar 2020 #10
Again,it is the Wellstone ruled Mar 2020 #11
They don't have the urban sprawl like we do. Ellipsis Mar 2020 #6
And perhaps, better compliance. nt eilen Mar 2020 #8
My daughter lives in Berlin. fleur-de-lisa Mar 2020 #9

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
3. + Bolsonaro, the terrible trio
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:38 PM
Mar 2020

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'Shitehawks,' by Cold War Steve, Brit satire artist.

kimbutgar

(21,162 posts)
4. The apple beer they like might kill the virus
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:52 PM
Mar 2020

The stuff tastes awful on first taste, gets better as you drink.

Not serious here just trying to lighten things.....

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. We are seeing what a Pro Active
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:54 PM
Mar 2020

Government and a Pro Active Health Care system can do. Being of Germanic Ancestry,it's the good Sausage and Beer. Keeps the evil spores away.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
10. There's no claim that the actual death rate is any lower.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 01:38 PM
Mar 2020

Just that the reported number may be more accurate.

We had a good suspicion of this from S. Korea's numbers. China's mortality is down to 1.4, S. Korea's was 0.9 with better testing, and while they issue numbers for the US they say pretty consistently that they expect the final figure to be < 1.0.

People like citing the most extreme numbers possible. If a study says "the range is 50,000 to 330,000" the reporter will say, once, "Up to 330,000" and in the following text drop the "up to" as though the One True Number is "330,000". Of course, people who don't read the full article wouldn't see the "up to" in the first place, and people who didn't track down the easily citable study would have no reason to suspect that the most likely number, according to the authority cited, was much lower. (No, these aren't random numbers, just the last such report I vented about.)

Remember, everything not exhaustively counted has error bars, and there's a number that the error bars bracket. Reporters most often only see the likely upper bound if that suits their narrative, or the likely lower bound (if that suits them).

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
11. Again,it is the
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 02:47 PM
Mar 2020

accuracy of reporting and testing.

Said this earlier today,we are getting our Information from the "Ministry of Truth" as Orwell called it.

As the Editor of the Guardian Newspaper European Edition said,the Reporters in the USA do not have the Skill Set as to how to report the news coming out of our White House or our Government. The Access Model of Reporting will only cause more misinformation and out right lies to be reported as fact.

And Germany as well as South Korea know if one is to act a problem,on needs facts to work with. Propaganda only has a certain lifespan in today's world with electronic communications being what they are.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,627 posts)
9. My daughter lives in Berlin.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 01:19 PM
Mar 2020

Friends and family keep asking me if I’m afraid for her.

Fuck no! She’s is much better off there with Angela Merkle running things instead of Captain Cheeto.

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