It’s about time.



-Laelth

Stop making us scapegoats for a society created of and for men.

If our society doesn’t match your ideals, blame mothers. They are, almost universally, our biggest influences.

-Laelth

and its “Violent History.” That implies that all white women are potential Karens.

Any time we label a class of people with a specific tendency, be they white women or black men, we are engaging in bias. And bias is wrong no matter what color, gender, age, or religion is involved.

We have a number of Karens who have called the police. There are more we haven’t seen on video. But to suggest that all of white womanhood be tarred with these actions is just as wrong as saying that because we have seen some black men commit crimes that all black males have a history of violence, and that this is somehow endemic to their color and gender. Wrong.

Because I’m not scared of black men, in general. I ride the train with black men all the time, from old guys to teens. We sit next to each other on the bus, ride up alone in elevators. Black men are just another of the many people I encounter daily in the city. And yes, some black men have been my friends, but they don’t count, because fear only occurs among strangers.

Now, if someone is pointing a gun or knife at me, I’m gonna be scared, whether they’re black, white, male, or female.

I don’t think all white women are implicitly scared or suspicious of black men, lacking a reason. I guess it depends on your experience and familiarity with people who are different from you.

But urban areas, whether North or South, seem to have broken down some of the stereotypes (certainly not all) more quickly just from encountering each other together more in public. Still, much bias exists, especially in housing, and in education.

My husband grew up in South Carolina, but had the unusual experience of being only one of 8 or 9 white kids in his high school (his mother stayed after “white flight” set in). I have never known anyone with less implicit bias, and I’ve always felt that it is due to the familiarity he received in his formative years. This is why I was so saddened when most cities abandoned the voluntary or enforced desegregation plans for their schools in the late 90s and early 2000s. My kids gained so much from attending schools with a rainbow of colors in their classrooms. I think we need to think about it again.

Familiarity breeds understanding, not contempt.

Are you talking about women named Karen?

Which isn't true. So this guy needs to paint a majority of white women as racist violators and in order to do so, claims a false narrative.
Shall we do the math?? Dr. Brock can't be bothered apparently. I appreciate that there are racist white women, but not in the numbers cited. 56% of all eligible voters, voted. Take the stats of whites, women, and do the math. 26.5% of all eligible voters voted for DT. Most of those were men, of all races, though since whites are a majority, mostly white men. @ 60% of that total percentage were men. The rest women. 40% of 26.5=10.6% of all women eligible voters. Someone needs to take a math class. When you have to cite false statistics, it looks like prejudice.

I have seen at least 5 articles that have different numbers then you have posted.

Thank you

Known fact. That 26.5% of all eligible voters voted for DT. Known fact. That more men than women voted for DT? Known fact. @29% of Asians, and Latinos voted for DT? Also a known fact. 9% of black men voted for DT. Please tell me how if 26.5% of all eligible voters voted for DT and even if we ignore the fact that more men voted for him than women, how you get 52% of "white women" voted for DT.
You don't. Can you add, subtract and divide? If the number of people who voted for DT were mostly men-@16% of all eligible voters nationwide, and the rest were women. If whites are the majority population-@ 74-76% nationwide and 50% are women, which is 37%, but only 56% of all eligible voters voted, so 20% is the amount of white women who voted, of which just under half voted for DT as we know that Asian and Latino voters also voted for DT. So @ 8% were white women, maybe 10%. 8% of 37%, or @10% which is less that a third of all white women.

Are these from a poli sci journal? The WaPo? The NYT?

They mean of those who voted.

Source-https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Begging-the-Question.html

Snip--"The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question. Begging the question is also called arguing in a circle.


Same source

snip--Straw Person-Straw
This fallacy occurs when, in attempting to refute another person's argument, you address only a weak or distorted version of it. Straw person is the misrepresentation of an opponent's position or a competitor's product to tout one's own argument or product as superior. This fallacy occurs when the weakest version of an argument is attacked while stronger ones are ignored.

I don't need a circle-just facts. In this case the premise is inaccurate.

Now if you want the last word, take it, I'm going to tidy the kitchen.

I'm done with our conversation. Bless your heart.

And those are widely available. You just can't be lazy. Using a false statement, which is then combined with a narrative about the violence of white women to infer that the majority of white women are violent is a racial bias, like it or not.

Is the unstated assumption that the views of people who voted differs appreciably from the views of people who did not vote. There is not much ground for that. After all, a sample size of a few thousands, a minuscule portion of the potential voting public, gives a reasonably accurate reading of how the balloting will go. In this instance, you are essentially arguing that a sample size of one in two does not accurately reflect the whole, even though professionals find that a sample size of one in a thousand reliably predicts the actions of the whole. If a little more than half of the white women who voted voted for Trump, which is an accurate statement, there is little reason to suppose the other half would have acted much differently. White men performed far worse than white women in the 2016 election, but the latter's performance was bad enough, and quite disappointing. Whether this owes more to racism or internalized misogyny is a separate question, but in most instances the answer probably echoes the sweet young thing in the commercial's query --- why not both?

52% of white women who voted, did not vote for DT. And certainly 52% of white women did not vote for him.

Here is the authors twitter account
@cadylang

Here is Time Magazine email
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Here is the exit polling data:

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

In case you wish to preserve your eyes, here are the numbers you would find if you scrolled down a bit...

White women cast 37% of the votes in 2016.

Of these, 52% voted for Trump.

You seem to be one of those people who imagines the names of logical fallacies are magical chants, words of power that deflect attacks on the positions you espouse. They are not. Nothing in my comment mis-states your position. I simply follow up its clear implications. These are worth restating. Your assertion that less than half of white women voted for Trump (which is true given that only about half the adult populace voted) has meaning only if the views of those who did not vote differs from the views of those who did. An entire industry is based on accurate predictions of group behavior and attitudes from discovery of what a quite small portion of that group thinks or does. When the sample size is on the order of half the target group, it is ludicrous to pretend the reading is not accurate for the whole. Whatever affliction is indicated by having cast a vote for Trump in 2016, a least half of white women in this country suffer from it.

I use statistics. Exit polling data will vary. Total percent of men who voted for DT-@15.9% white men, 1.71% Latino men, .05% Asian men, .036% AA men. Which adds up to 17.69%. 26.5% minus 17.69 equals 8.8% of which are women. 1% Latino, .04% Asian. 7.7% white women. Less than half of all white women who voted. Exit polling has many flaws.

Your admission is accepted.

You are a legend in your own mind, and no one can stop your enjoyment of it.

Every so often a bit of rum fun does come along....

And it does not rely on exit polling data.

-Laelth